Yaya Toure - commits future to City (page 855)

[Jackson-ctid]

Re: Yaya Toure

A terrific player but for want of a better expression; he's always been a greetin-faced bastard moaning about everything. Even at the title celebrations, there was a moment where he was waving his arms about and having a go until Kompany calmed him down. Seems like a bit of a Diva with his dimwit agent there to massage his bloated ego.

Get rid, let him go to any club as long as it's not in England and bring in Vidal to replace him. £28m for Toure to go and £42m for Vidal to come in, 5 years younger and an equally great player.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Re: Dear YaYa

merge please

 

[Uwe's Stinky Trainers]

Re: Yaya Toure

There really are flakey responses on here.

Isn't it obvious what's happening? Player turns 31, has arguably his most notable season ever in terms of performances and trophies, is due to play a central role for his country on the world stage in a few weeks time… so, from a monetary perspective this is his agent's and other advisor's last big roll of the dice, for which they are making a play - positioning themselves for the biggest return on their asset before depreciation. Be that via improved contract negotiations, a transfer, whatever.

Foreign Premier League superstar in lack-of loyalty shocker. Hold the press!

What's he worth in todays market? £ 45-60m? Snap it up. Thanks for your efforts this season Yaya you were an absolute pleasure to behold.

 

[CitizenTID]

Re: Yaya Toure

SSN just showed a clip of him saying he could be at another club to win the champions league and he doesn't know if he'll be here next season etc. - so he's obviously been thinking of leaving. I would just cash in now when he's at his most valuable and buy Barkley

 

[Matty]

Re: Yaya Toure

If I were to attempt to assess this situation I'd wager Yaya's birthday has the sum total of fuck all to do with anything. This smacks of a player, and an "agent", recognising that Yaya has probably just had the season of his career, and that his value will never be higher, especially given he's now 31 years old. They are both aware that he's got 3 years left on his contract and, as such, he'll be 34 when that ends, and his ability to get another huge contract will have diminished. Whether this is he agent's idea/plan, of that of Yaya, is unclear, but it would seem someone has decided this is the time to rock the boat and either unsettle the club so he is sold (and gets a huge payoff, and huge new wage in the process) or force City's hand into offering him an improved contract of some description. My money would be on the agent (who, lets face it, won't be getting any big paydays anytime soon if he lets Yaya see out the rest of his deal at City) and Yaya is either happy to oblige or else is naive and can't see that his "friend" Dimitri is actually a leech trying to suck the last bit of revenue he can out of his charge.

I simply can't see City having treated Yaya in anything other than an exemplary manner, the behind the scenes picture you're given is of a happy, harmonious dressing room, and attentive and professional backroom staff, and a hands on, approachable directorship/chairman. Any slight Yaya may mention in his post World Cup statement (a timescale that does City no favours and allows this issue to fester and rumble on for the next 2 months) will be a perceived one as opposed to an actual one, and is more likely to be a smokescreen for what is really going on here, a moneygrab (either from us, or from another club eventually). City actually find themselves in a strong position here, Yaya has 3 years on his deal and, quite frankly, he's made himself look petty, childish and more than a little pathetic by getting his agent to cry on his behalf, especially about something as inconsequential as City apparently not celebrating his birthday with the right amount of gusto and reverence. One would think paying him almost £11m a year would be recognition enough.......

It's a philosophical point but I'd argue that when a player/agent behaves in the manner in which these two morons have, regardless of the talent of the player, we should wash our hands tout suite. I know that you could argue that well the player wins because he gets what he wants ... but from my point of view anyone leaving the current modern City is taking a step backwards in their career and as such we shouldn't give a flying fuck. Equally from a financial stand point, we saw with Tevez that when players start publicly wanting out their valuation is only going to go south and the longer you keep the player the further south it will go. Better to get the best fee you can.

This is a very difficult situation to predict if i'm honest because of the iron curtain. Indications seem to be that City are taking the Tevez stance and it might well be that we force Toure to stay regardless of the offers. However I can't help but feel that would fly directly in the face of everything Khaldoon said about the season just gone, the harmony both on the field and off the field at the club, and the vindication of a more holistic approach to things. We sold Balo, we sold Tevez, and we sacked Mancini. Keeping Toure after this escapade would seem contradictory in a way.

Can't say I disagree with any of that if I'm honest. If he does indeed fancy a move away from City, and he'd be disappointed/upset if one didn't materialise then it's probably in our best interests to allow him to go. After the season he's just had, and at 31, with 3 years left on his contract, we'd get a sizeable fee for him too. Whilst I don't believe there is a footballer in the World who can duplicate what Yaya does, with his combination of strength, power, speed, passing and finishing, I do believe we can be just as successful without him if we're willing to adjust out tactics accordingly. If we could do a deal with Barca that say Yaya going one way, and Fabregas the other (possibly with some money involved, going in one direction or the other) then that would be appealing. The fly in the ointment however is the lengthy wait for "clarification" from Yaya on what his issue is, this flies in the face of our aims to conduct the transfer dealings as soon as possible.

 

[Damien10]

Re: Yaya Toure

You're assuming that he'd be asked to play the same role in the same system. Don't think there is much doubt that if Yaya does go that we probably won't be able to replace him like for like, we will have to adjust the way we play. That isn't an insurmountable problem though.

This is Manuels preferred system and i don't believe that will change.

Fair enough, I don't know what systems he has played at previous clubs. I assumed to some extent he adopted the current system because he thought it suited the players at his disposal ie he could get away with going a man light in midfield because we had the strength of Yaya. Either way, whoever we sign is not going to be an identikit Yaya because he is a bit of a one off sop there will have to be some kind of adjusment I would think. Anyway, I still think Fabregas would be a great signing not necessarily as the direct replacement for Yaya. No reason why we couldn't sign Fabregas and say Pogba or whoever people think would be a closer like for like replacement.

I see, no problem mate. I agree that whoever the club get can't replace Toure. However i believe Toure provided the club with great moments but at times he definitely was a weak link to the system (mainly when he strolled back or just looked like he wasn't interested) If the club get somebody to clone Fern i actually think overall the team would be harder to beat and the pressing provided by the both of them would take the club up another level. However Toures strength is his attacking play and we would need to add more fire power further ahead of the two central midfielders to make up for his loss. That's just my opinion. And i think Fabregas is way over priced and there's better options out there then him. I also have the same view on Barkley, lets not forget the hype surrounding the English talent and lets not forget Rodwell.

 

[teddykgb]

Re: Yaya Toure

I had a feeling something was going to happen last week when those pictures were posted on Twitter with the people from Qatar...

If he is thinking of moving, it will be to PSG 100%.

How many midfielders do they need at PSG anyway? They just brought in Cabaye, resigned Matuidi. They've got Veratti and Motta as well. Plenty of wide players. Yaya is obviously better than all of these players but it'd be such a strange destination to me. They'd have to sell one or two of those players.

 

[oakiecokie]

Re: Yaya Toure

I can't believe so many people are taking it at face value and thinking Yaya is genuinely spitting his dummy out because we didn't get him a birthday cake. There it's absolutely no truth in that, it's so absurd that it's just not worth discussing.

Clearly this is his agent chatting shit to try and re-negotiate his contract / angle for a move. He does it every season, and did it regularly at Barca.

If he came out in the press directly and said he wanted more money / wanted to leave, he'd probably be in breach of contract and we could fine him / withhold his bonus.

So he's causing a stink about a "lack of respect" because it forces City's hand to respond / flushes out other interested clubs. It's not a new tactic, Ronaldo claims he wants to "feel the love" every time he wants a new contract. Rooney chats shit about a lack of ambition. Tevez's agent talked of broken promises etc.

It's a horrible way to do business, but it's the reality of the modern game, unfortunately.

Yaya has come from absolutely nothing in Ivory Coast to being one of the highest paid sportsmen in the world, earning an unimaginable amount of money. The man that has helped that happen is Demitri Seluk. He might well be an idiot, but Yaya is understandably close to him and trusts him to handle his affairs.

I'm sure we've all got friends / family members who behave like dickheads from time to time, but we stick by them because we have close human relationships.

Yaya has been foolish for allowing this farce to happen, but I think he's very much the passenger as opposed to the driver.

I personally believe Yaya sent the first two tweets yesterday. Then I think he had a phone call from Seluk saying "what the fuck are you doing, you're messing up my plan to get you a contract as big as Messi's".

Yaya then authorised Seluk to handle his twitter / media output and went back to preparing for the World Cup with Ivory Coast.

The truth might be that Seluk is doing everything he can to squeeze every last penny out of City. He's going about it in a dreadfully distasteful way, but essentially he's employed to get the most money he possibly can for his client, so that explains his motivation.

It might be that Yaya wants a new challenge / change of scene. I'd be gutted if that's true, but many players reach that stage in their life where they want a change of surroundings. If that's how he genuinely feels, while I'm personally disappointed, he'd go with my best wishes as he's been one of the best players ever to play for our club, and helped to bring unparalleled success in terms of league titles.

What is not true, and I refuse to believe, is that Yaya is arsed about his birthday cake / a lack of love or respect. It's absolutely nonesense, and I can't believe it is even getting talked about.

Well if that is the case its about time Yaya grew a pair of bollocks and came out and asked for a move,instead of leaving it to someone to do his dirty work.Had he done that,then I for one would have respected his wishes,far more than I do now.
The old saying "theres no smoke ..." is certainly ringing true so far.

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Re: Yaya Toure

I can't believe so many people are taking it at face value and thinking Yaya is genuinely spitting his dummy out because we didn't get him a birthday cake. There it's absolutely no truth in that, it's so absurd that it's just not worth discussing.

Clearly this is his agent chatting shit to try and re-negotiate his contract / angle for a move. He does it every season, and did it regularly at Barca.

If he came out in the press directly and said he wanted more money / wanted to leave, he'd probably be in breach of contract and we could fine him / withhold his bonus.

So he's causing a stink about a "lack of respect" because it forces City's hand to respond / flushes out other interested clubs. It's not a new tactic, Ronaldo claims he wants to "feel the love" every time he wants a new contract. Rooney chats shit about a lack of ambition. Tevez's agent talked of broken promises etc.

It's a horrible way to do business, but it's the reality of the modern game, unfortunately.

Yaya has come from absolutely nothing in Ivory Coast to being one of the highest paid sportsmen in the world, earning an unimaginable amount of money. The man that has helped that happen is Demitri Seluk. He might well be an idiot, but Yaya is understandably close to him and trusts him to handle his affairs.

I'm sure we've all got friends / family members who behave like dickheads from time to time, but we stick by them because we have close human relationships.

Yaya has been foolish for allowing this farce to happen, but I think he's very much the passenger as opposed to the driver.

I personally believe Yaya sent the first two tweets yesterday. Then I think he had a phone call from Seluk saying "what the fuck are you doing, you're messing up my plan to get you a contract as big as Messi's".

Yaya then authorised Seluk to handle his twitter / media output and went back to preparing for the World Cup with Ivory Coast.

The truth might be that Seluk is doing everything he can to squeeze every last penny out of City. He's going about it in a dreadfully distasteful way, but essentially he's employed to get the most money he possibly can for his client, so that explains his motivation.

It might be that Yaya wants a new challenge / change of scene. I'd be gutted if that's true, but many players reach that stage in their life where they want a change of surroundings. If that's how he genuinely feels, while I'm personally disappointed, he'd go with my best wishes as he's been one of the best players ever to play for our club, and helped to bring unparalleled success in terms of league titles.

What is not true, and I refuse to believe, is that Yaya is arsed about his birthday cake / a lack of love or respect. It's absolutely nonesense, and I can't believe it is even getting talked about.

I don't think there's too many that think that mate tbh.
It was the Card being late that did it.

Perhaps if we hadn't have had the FFP fines, we could have splashed out on a FunkyPigeon.com whatsit and avoided this whole debacle.

{shakes fist} Platiiiinnniiii!

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Re: Yaya Toure

This is Manuels preferred system and i don't believe that will change.

Fair enough, I don't know what systems he has played at previous clubs. I assumed to some extent he adopted the current system because he thought it suited the players at his disposal ie he could get away with going a man light in midfield because we had the strength of Yaya. Either way, whoever we sign is not going to be an identikit Yaya because he is a bit of a one off sop there will have to be some kind of adjusment I would think. Anyway, I still think Fabregas would be a great signing not necessarily as the direct replacement for Yaya. No reason why we couldn't sign Fabregas and say Pogba or whoever people think would be a closer like for like replacement.

I see, no problem mate. I agree that whoever the club get can't replace Toure. However i believe Toure provided the club with great moments but at times he definitely was a weak link to the system (mainly when he strolled back or just looked like he wasn't interested) If the club get somebody to clone Fern i actually think overall the team would be harder to beat and the pressing provided by the both of them would take the club up another level. However Toures strength is his attacking play and we would need to add more fire power further ahead of the two central midfielders to make up for his loss. That's just my opinion. And i think Fabregas is way over priced and there's better options out there then him. I also have the same view on Barkley, lets not forget the hype surrounding the English talent and lets not forget Rodwell.

someone said earlier in the thread that people have forgotten just how good fabregas is because has been out if the Prem a few years. I agree with them, he was a wonderful player for arsenal IMO.