Yaya Toure - commits future to City (page 855)

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Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
Plaything of the gods said:
The agent speaks for Yaya. That is his job. Yaya could have stopped him, apologised, sacked him, spoken. The fact is that Yaya has said nothing and done nothing (in public) about this bizarre fiasco. rather, Yaya has continued to let himself be the butt of a joke that the whole world, and not least City fans, have enjoyed.

That is why there is no benefit of the doubt to give. Yaya is being disrespectful by omission whilst his agent is disrespectful - and downright odious - by commission.

He's guilty of being thick and unthinking but ALL players are like that.

He's not done anything yet to deserve some of the reactions on here.

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He passes as intelligent in the footballing world, he proves every point, he's a thick as pig shit scouse twat but within football he's one of the more endowed minds.
 
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TheMightyQuinn said:
Lancet Fluke said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
He's guilty of being thick and unthinking but ALL players are like that.

He's not done anything yet to deserve some of the reactions on here.

Fair enough, there are quite a few people who have contributed to this thread who don't think Yaya should have to take responsibility for the things a man he employs as his public representative says in his name. Personally, I don't think that view stands up to much scrutiny but everyone is entitled to their opinion on what has happened.

They aren't men and employees, they're footballers and agents, they operate in their own bubble of shit. None of them have any honour, why should Yaya?

As for the Kompany question, yes he seems intelligent and decent but I'm quite sure if he gets unhappy at any point he'll be off, footballers and rock n roll bands are things you should never put too much faith in.

I don't agree that they all operate in their own bubble of shit though or that none of them have any honour. Some do some don't and to different extents.
 
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Lancet Fluke said:
M18CTID said:
without a dream said:
He's had 3 days now to come out with some bullshit about how it was all a misunderstanding. I think it's safe to say Yaya agrees with his gobshite of an agent.

How do you know that he hasn't already put the record straight with the club? Or does he have to post it on here too?

Oh, and why didn't you have an issue with Yaya last year when his agent said similar things?

The disrespectful remarks were made publicly so it isn't unreasonable to expect any apology or setting the record straight to be pubic also. As far as the comments last year, I'm sure plenty of people weren't over the moon about them but as far as I am aware they weren't as disrespectful. For instance, I'm fairly sure there was no implictaion that Sheikh Mansour was trying to buy relationships etc last summer. I might be wrong though, I can't recall exactly what was said last year.

No, he didn't say anything about buying relationships but there was enough in his comments to see that it was another swipe against the people that own and run the club.

I'm far from convinced that Yaya tells Seluk to say these things - far more likely that Yaya has a minor issue and Seluk blows it all out of proportion. He's got a history of launching withering attacks on whatever club Yaya is playing for at the time. It's not helpful of course, and it does seem like an unlikely friendship between them but for whatever reason Yaya is clearly close to him.
 
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Lancet Fluke said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
Lancet Fluke said:
Fair enough, there are quite a few people who have contributed to this thread who don't think Yaya should have to take responsibility for the things a man he employs as his public representative says in his name. Personally, I don't think that view stands up to much scrutiny but everyone is entitled to their opinion on what has happened.

They aren't men and employees, they're footballers and agents, they operate in their own bubble of shit. None of them have any honour, why should Yaya?

As for the Kompany question, yes he seems intelligent and decent but I'm quite sure if he gets unhappy at any point he'll be off, footballers and rock n roll bands are things you should never put too much faith in.

I don't agree that they all operate in their own bubble of shit though or that none of them have any honour. Some do some don't and to different extents.

There are exceptions yeah but generally I don't expect much from any of them in the way of loyalty.

I accept there's a difference in the ways some go about things, you'd hope for example that if Kompany ever wanted out he'd be a bit more subtle and respectful than say Rooney or Gerrard but this is football and things generally are quite underhanded.
 
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M18CTID said:
Lancet Fluke said:
M18CTID said:
How do you know that he hasn't already put the record straight with the club? Or does he have to post it on here too?

Oh, and why didn't you have an issue with Yaya last year when his agent said similar things?

The disrespectful remarks were made publicly so it isn't unreasonable to expect any apology or setting the record straight to be pubic also. As far as the comments last year, I'm sure plenty of people weren't over the moon about them but as far as I am aware they weren't as disrespectful. For instance, I'm fairly sure there was no implictaion that Sheikh Mansour was trying to buy relationships etc last summer. I might be wrong though, I can't recall exactly what was said last year.

No, he didn't say anything about buying relationships but there was enough in his comments to see that it was another swipe against the people that own and run the club.

I'm far from convinced that Yaya tells Seluk to say these things - far more likely that Yaya has a minor issue and Seluk blows it all out of proportion. He's got a history of launching withering attacks on whatever club Yaya is playing for at the time. It's not helpful of course, and it does seem like an unlikely friendship between them but for whatever reason Yaya is clearly close to him.

I'm not convinced he told Seluk to say exactly what he said either. I think that is more or less irrelevant tbh. By hiring the bloke it means the things are effectively said in Yaya's name and if he doesn't like what is being said he needs to say so, otherwise he has to accpet that people will hold him responsible. I'm fairly sure this will blow over and that he will more than likely still be at the club next season but make no mistake if there is no public apology or at least a public declaration that the comments weren't said in his name then it will stick in the craw a bit.
 
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TonyM said:
He is a City player still and I hope that continues. Too much precious hurt feelings about these days and this is just another example IMO.

He hasn't done anything directly to hurt us so give him the benefit of the doubt I say.

That said I am infinitely gullible and am constantly taken advantage of. But I prefer still to see the good ... except in lazy Dzeko ... Only fishing :-)


your not gullible tonym,your a nice person,and because your so nice I have a great idea which will make me sorry us loads of money,just pm me your bank details and ill send it to my mate who happens to be a Nigerian prince who seems to have got himself in a pickle.:)
 
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Lancet Fluke said:
M18CTID said:
Lancet Fluke said:
The disrespectful remarks were made publicly so it isn't unreasonable to expect any apology or setting the record straight to be pubic also. As far as the comments last year, I'm sure plenty of people weren't over the moon about them but as far as I am aware they weren't as disrespectful. For instance, I'm fairly sure there was no implictaion that Sheikh Mansour was trying to buy relationships etc last summer. I might be wrong though, I can't recall exactly what was said last year.

No, he didn't say anything about buying relationships but there was enough in his comments to see that it was another swipe against the people that own and run the club.

I'm far from convinced that Yaya tells Seluk to say these things - far more likely that Yaya has a minor issue and Seluk blows it all out of proportion. He's got a history of launching withering attacks on whatever club Yaya is playing for at the time. It's not helpful of course, and it does seem like an unlikely friendship between them but for whatever reason Yaya is clearly close to him.

I'm not convinced he told Seluk to say exactly what he said either. I think that is more or less irrelevant tbh. By hiring the bloke it means the things are effectively said in Yaya's name and if he doesn't like what is being said he needs to say so, otherwise he has to accpet that people will hold him responsible. I'm fairly sure this will blow over and that he will more than likely still be at the club next season but make no mistake if there is no public apology or at least a public declaration that the comments weren't said in his name then it will stick in the craw a bit.

I agree some public clarification wouldn't go amiss but my point was just because there hasn't been doesn't mean that the issue hasn't been resolved already.
 
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sir peace frog said:
TonyM said:
He is a City player still and I hope that continues. Too much precious hurt feelings about these days and this is just another example IMO.

He hasn't done anything directly to hurt us so give him the benefit of the doubt I say.

That said I am infinitely gullible and am constantly taken advantage of. But I prefer still to see the good ... except in lazy Dzeko ... Only fishing :-)


your not gullible tonym,your a nice person,and because your so nice I have a great idea which will make me sorry us loads of money,just pm me your bank details and ill send it to my mate who happens to be a Nigerian prince who seems to have got himself in a pickle.:)

Sorry too late. I got a call the other day from a very nice Nigerian bloke about the same thing. I should get my monies soon. Can't wait.
 
Re: Yaya Toure

In the exact moment that Yaya let his agent talk bullshit about the club and do NOTHING to stop it he deserve to go IMO. No one has the right to let those kind of ugly things been said on the press.
 
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Matt the Giant said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
I think it's dead right that we expect 100% loyalty from players yet are totally unwilling to give Yaya the benefit of the doubt, at least until some facts come out. Loyalty works both ways and you should always know the facts before running your mouth, pronouncing him dead or pissing in your knickers.

It borders on the hilarious the way some of you have reacted.

The thing is Yaya himself said he stands by everything his agent wrote on twitter. He could instead have been a bit more diplomatic and respectful, but chose not to.

Hi,

We don't know who made those tweets. It could easily be Seluk.

Regards
 
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de niro said:
flyingdutchman said:
I couldn't believe some of the things I read on this thread.

For all we know someone Yaya may have received death threats, his family may have been threatened or something. Some of these agents are associated with notorious gangs and mafias.

He's a down to earth and friendly person, what he's doing is out of character. Let's wait for more information.

hi Kolo how goes it? do you reckon you'll finish top four again next year?

Haha it's your job Kolo to keep him away from all those notorious gangs and mafias. All the best!
 
Re: Yaya Toure

TheMightyQuinn said:
I think it's dead right that we expect 100% loyalty from players yet are totally unwilling to give Yaya the benefit of the doubt, at least until some facts come out. Loyalty works both ways and you should always know the facts before running your mouth, pronouncing him dead or pissing in your knickers.

It borders on the hilarious the way some of you have reacted.

This has been all over the press for a couple of days. What exactly is stopping Toure putting the record straight if this is all one big mistake? Sorry he is showing no respect to the club or the fans end of
 
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nijinsky's fetlocks said:
gordondaviesmoustache said:
aguero93:20 said:
Well said mate. Let's run him out of town.

Can we not have a stoning instead?
It's been ages since we had one of those.
I love a good stoning.

If I could choose, I'd go for the stoning. I've heard about much worse inductions in to the BM community so I'd be getting off lightly!
 
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I ran into this (sorry, quit long) story and, no matter Yayá and his agent childish behaviour, it makes one think ...


Jack Rodwell’s stasis says more about football than Yaya Touré row does


We can learn more from the Englishman’s inertia at Manchester City than from his team-mate’s fit of cake-related pique

By Barney Ronay
The Guardian, Friday 23 May 2014 14.05 BST


So, let’s all laugh at Yaya then. Although perhaps, all things considered, not that hard and not that long. At this stage in the week the birthday cake episode has already been thoroughly chewed over. Here, at last, is an issue everyone can agree on. The broad consensus seems to be that by complaining, via his agent, about the lack of formal birthday good wishes from Manchester City’s hierarchy – specifically the wounding absence of commemorative sponge – Touré has first of all been caught playing a very obvious pre-contract game of bluff; and second has provided another leaf in the groaning folio of evidence that modern footballers are little more than brattish uber-barbarians, empty-headed popinjays, doofus gods of the final perverted knockings of human history and all the rest of it.

There are two things worth adding to this. First, it is perhaps not as weird as it looks. Extreme people doing things at an extreme level are, believe it or not, often a little extreme. And let’s face it, elite modern football is a deeply unnatural environment, a multi-billion‑pound industry peopled entirely by men dressed in shorts, a glazed and airless place of minor concerns endlessly magnified, and an industry that would simply cease to function if everybody blinked a couple of times, took a breath and decided to be completely sensible about everything. Elite, big-money teams in particular are fascinatingly strange, a conspiracy of cosmopolitan self-interest that still remains somehow coherent, these disparate bands of sporting brothers ferried via chinchilla fur-lined helicopter gunship from hotel to airport to luxury compound, barked and yelped and brayed at twice weekly but still able to leap and fight and run through pain for one another, presenting in the process an oddly stirring example of the indomitable human spirit, even while filtered through the triple-glazed tinted glass of billionaire idiot ball. At the end of which: Yaya wants a cake. Give him a bloody cake.

The second thing worth saying is that anyone seeking Yet More Evidence of All That is Wrong With the Modern World would be better served looking at another proposed City midfield departure to emerge this week. Jack Rodwell’s two years at the Etihad have been one of the more frustrating big‑money English transfers of recent years. Rodwell has started 10 matches since leaving Everton. In the Premier and Champions Leagues he has scored two goals, made 10 tackles and provided no assists. For this he has been paid £5.5m. There was for a while a hope Rodwell might emerge as a kind of Yaya-to-be. Instead he has remained a squad-balancing punt and token Englishman, the footballing equivalent of a set of Aztec nose flutes purchased by Prince Charles during a walkabout at a tourist bazaar and destined to be stashed at the back of the royal vaults in between the Tongan fertility gourds and a jeroboam of something awful from Lithuania.

Ah, Rodwell. It is easy to forget how good he has looked on the few occasions he has looked good. Emerging ready-made from a decade in the Everton academy like some impossibly handsome teenage space cadet from the 25th century, he seemed from the start the kind of player who has always spoken to something innately excitable in the English footballing imagination, the seductive idea that football can still be reduced to a series of triumphant, nostril-quivering sprints, an irresistible physicality that cuts across all the difficult stuff about tactics and technical skills and reduces football once again to its ancestral state of beautifully pure physical explosion. This has always been part of Touré’s appeal in England – the tendency when discussing his performances in that advanced midfield runaway caravan role to lower the voice, to become a little husky and brave and tearful at the distant echoes of some long vanished ideal of bladder-smuggling village wrestle ball.

Rodwell showed glimpses in the midfield run-hulk role. He scored a sublime first Premier League goal for Everton against Manchester United, careering away from Johnny Evans like a startled yak bullocking out of the tree line. He was by many accounts the best player on the pitch in a Uefa Under-21 Championship match against Germany in 2009. He got the move to City. And then: nothing.

It has become commonplace to blame this kind of thing on rich clubs stockpiling talent: the paradox that quota rules designed to promote English players end up turning them into kept men, royal prisoners confined to sit looking sad and hopeful on the bench, occasionally running on to the pitch grinning and punching the air when other, slightly better footballers win a trophy.

But there is something else in the system beyond simply a “lack of faith” that means a 21-year-old Balkan or African or South American will progress where so many homegrowns stall. At which point: enter Touré once more. At the same age that Rodwell went to City, Touré was offered a contract by Arsenal but ended up turning it down. By the time he got to Barcelona, a little older than Rodwell is now, Touré had played in Belgium, Ukraine, Greece and France. He has continually developed, playing for Barça as a centre-back at times, then regeared at City into new attacking Touré, looming forward across the halfway line like an iron giant emerging from the sea. He talks about football as a science. He keeps a notebook with him to scribble down his ideas. He is – let us be clear on this – not what is wrong with modern football at all, but exactly what is right, a good man in a strange place, and an example of how talent, heart and intelligence will still prevail.

Meanwhile, Rodwell seems to represent better than most the enormous obstacle being brought up in the Premier League can be to fulfilling your potential as a footballer. What is striking about his move to City is its sheer pointlessness. Nobody learned anything. Nobody benefited. Nobody went anywhere. Plenty of German players in that game in 2009 – Jérôme Boateng, Sami Khedira, Mesut Özil, Mats Hummels – have gone on to explore the outer limits of their talent. Once again, an English player growing up as a domestic product of a thoroughly global league has seemed imprisoned, congealed, swallowed up by the system, rather than nurtured, inspired or sent out into the world bold and restless and ravenous to succeed. Rodwell will get another chance. If he could take with him a little spritz of that fearless Touré spirit, he might just take it.
 
Re: Yaya Toure

OllyT1950 said:
TheMightyQuinn said:
I think it's dead right that we expect 100% loyalty from players yet are totally unwilling to give Yaya the benefit of the doubt, at least until some facts come out. Loyalty works both ways and you should always know the facts before running your mouth, pronouncing him dead or pissing in your knickers.

It borders on the hilarious the way some of you have reacted.

This has been all over the press for a couple of days. What exactly is stopping Toure putting the record straight if this is all one big mistake? Sorry he is showing no respect to the club or the fans end of

For all we know it may be sorted or there is another explanation entirely. When all's said and done, time holds the best gossip.
 
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eversince 76 said:
I ran into this (sorry, quit long) story and, no matter Yayá and his agent childish behaviour, it makes one think ...


Jack Rodwell’s stasis says more about football than Yaya Touré row does


We can learn more from the Englishman’s inertia at Manchester City than from his team-mate’s fit of cake-related pique

By Barney Ronay
The Guardian, Friday 23 May 2014 14.05 BST


So, let’s all laugh at Yaya then. Although perhaps, all things considered, not that hard and not that long. At this stage in the week the birthday cake episode has already been thoroughly chewed over. Here, at last, is an issue everyone can agree on. The broad consensus seems to be that by complaining, via his agent, about the lack of formal birthday good wishes from Manchester City’s hierarchy – specifically the wounding absence of commemorative sponge – Touré has first of all been caught playing a very obvious pre-contract game of bluff; and second has provided another leaf in the groaning folio of evidence that modern footballers are little more than brattish uber-barbarians, empty-headed popinjays, doofus gods of the final perverted knockings of human history and all the rest of it.

There are two things worth adding to this. First, it is perhaps not as weird as it looks. Extreme people doing things at an extreme level are, believe it or not, often a little extreme. And let’s face it, elite modern football is a deeply unnatural environment, a multi-billion‑pound industry peopled entirely by men dressed in shorts, a glazed and airless place of minor concerns endlessly magnified, and an industry that would simply cease to function if everybody blinked a couple of times, took a breath and decided to be completely sensible about everything. Elite, big-money teams in particular are fascinatingly strange, a conspiracy of cosmopolitan self-interest that still remains somehow coherent, these disparate bands of sporting brothers ferried via chinchilla fur-lined helicopter gunship from hotel to airport to luxury compound, barked and yelped and brayed at twice weekly but still able to leap and fight and run through pain for one another, presenting in the process an oddly stirring example of the indomitable human spirit, even while filtered through the triple-glazed tinted glass of billionaire idiot ball. At the end of which: Yaya wants a cake. Give him a bloody cake.

The second thing worth saying is that anyone seeking Yet More Evidence of All That is Wrong With the Modern World would be better served looking at another proposed City midfield departure to emerge this week. Jack Rodwell’s two years at the Etihad have been one of the more frustrating big‑money English transfers of recent years. Rodwell has started 10 matches since leaving Everton. In the Premier and Champions Leagues he has scored two goals, made 10 tackles and provided no assists. For this he has been paid £5.5m. There was for a while a hope Rodwell might emerge as a kind of Yaya-to-be. Instead he has remained a squad-balancing punt and token Englishman, the footballing equivalent of a set of Aztec nose flutes purchased by Prince Charles during a walkabout at a tourist bazaar and destined to be stashed at the back of the royal vaults in between the Tongan fertility gourds and a jeroboam of something awful from Lithuania.

Ah, Rodwell. It is easy to forget how good he has looked on the few occasions he has looked good. Emerging ready-made from a decade in the Everton academy like some impossibly handsome teenage space cadet from the 25th century, he seemed from the start the kind of player who has always spoken to something innately excitable in the English footballing imagination, the seductive idea that football can still be reduced to a series of triumphant, nostril-quivering sprints, an irresistible physicality that cuts across all the difficult stuff about tactics and technical skills and reduces football once again to its ancestral state of beautifully pure physical explosion. This has always been part of Touré’s appeal in England – the tendency when discussing his performances in that advanced midfield runaway caravan role to lower the voice, to become a little husky and brave and tearful at the distant echoes of some long vanished ideal of bladder-smuggling village wrestle ball.

Rodwell showed glimpses in the midfield run-hulk role. He scored a sublime first Premier League goal for Everton against Manchester United, careering away from Johnny Evans like a startled yak bullocking out of the tree line. He was by many accounts the best player on the pitch in a Uefa Under-21 Championship match against Germany in 2009. He got the move to City. And then: nothing.

It has become commonplace to blame this kind of thing on rich clubs stockpiling talent: the paradox that quota rules designed to promote English players end up turning them into kept men, royal prisoners confined to sit looking sad and hopeful on the bench, occasionally running on to the pitch grinning and punching the air when other, slightly better footballers win a trophy.

But there is something else in the system beyond simply a “lack of faith” that means a 21-year-old Balkan or African or South American will progress where so many homegrowns stall. At which point: enter Touré once more. At the same age that Rodwell went to City, Touré was offered a contract by Arsenal but ended up turning it down. By the time he got to Barcelona, a little older than Rodwell is now, Touré had played in Belgium, Ukraine, Greece and France. He has continually developed, playing for Barça as a centre-back at times, then regeared at City into new attacking Touré, looming forward across the halfway line like an iron giant emerging from the sea. He talks about football as a science. He keeps a notebook with him to scribble down his ideas. He is – let us be clear on this – not what is wrong with modern football at all, but exactly what is right, a good man in a strange place, and an example of how talent, heart and intelligence will still prevail.

Meanwhile, Rodwell seems to represent better than most the enormous obstacle being brought up in the Premier League can be to fulfilling your potential as a footballer. What is striking about his move to City is its sheer pointlessness. Nobody learned anything. Nobody benefited. Nobody went anywhere. Plenty of German players in that game in 2009 – Jérôme Boateng, Sami Khedira, Mesut Özil, Mats Hummels – have gone on to explore the outer limits of their talent. Once again, an English player growing up as a domestic product of a thoroughly global league has seemed imprisoned, congealed, swallowed up by the system, rather than nurtured, inspired or sent out into the world bold and restless and ravenous to succeed. Rodwell will get another chance. If he could take with him a little spritz of that fearless Touré spirit, he might just take it.

Only skated through this .... No mention of injuries - really that's been one of Rodwell's big problems for quite a few years now, dodgy hamstrings etc ...
 
Re: Yaya Toure

sir peace frog said:
TonyM said:
He is a City player still and I hope that continues. Too much precious hurt feelings about these days and this is just another example IMO.

He hasn't done anything directly to hurt us so give him the benefit of the doubt I say.

That said I am infinitely gullible and am constantly taken advantage of. But I prefer still to see the good ... except in lazy Dzeko ... Only fishing :-)


Your not gullible tonym,your a nice person,and because your so nice I have a great idea which will make me sorry us loads of money,just pm me your bank details and ill send it to my mate who happens to be a Nigerian prince who seems to have got himself in a pickle.:)

Why would we give him the benefit of the doubt? Really some City fans are sycophantic - He could man up and come out and apologise and say he doesn't share Dimitri's views - He's had plenty of time to do this. Instead we get a 'A Dimitri speaks for me...' tweet and 'I'll speak after the world cup...' bullsh*t .... He's a grown man right?? .... Poor Yaya!!
 
Re: Yaya Toure

Has Yaya's lunatic agent been asking for anything more today?

Maybe a new house and a statue outside the stadium?
 
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