PragueBlue
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Pretty much sums up my thoughts.
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Youth or Success
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Pretty much sums up my thoughts.
To go from the EDS/U21 to first team is near on impossible at a club like ours unless they are once in a generation player like Messi/Ronaldo/Zidane etc
The saying "if they are good enough, they are old enough" is bollocks. Managers are shit scared of putting in young players because they make mistakes and the mistakes could cost them their job.
All of a sudden Lopes is being labelled as not good enough to make it at City which again is bollocks, he is good enough to make it at City, it's just he has Sterling, Silva and now De Bryune ahead of him, even Nasri and Navas won't get ahead of them and they are experienced international footballers.
Unfortunately the Academy at City is now a money making scheme, you see it with all the influx of Spanish players coming over, none of them will make it but they can be bought for cheap, promoted in the shop window on first team tours and the odd bench appearance, move to a mid table top tier side on loan, do well and then be sold for profit, the english lads are just there to supplement the team and you'll get the odd one like Barker who looks a little bit special for his age.
You are not telling me that Pozo was a better player than Hiwula, but he cost money, big money for a player his age and city needed to recoup that, Hiwula cost nothing.
You buy Angelino, Maffeo, Pozo, Manu Garcia, Aleix Garcia all for around a combined total fee of £5m, expose them in the EDS, take them on first team tours, excotic exciting youngsters at a top English club, get a good loan, sold for double the profit with sell on percentages if they do well and a buy back clause if they do really well, it's a great business model, none of those five Spanish players will play for us and they won't be that much better than the lads who are here already, they will follow Suarez and Roman back to Spain.
Finally, Ferguson was right, football goes in cycles, when was the last player who made it at Barca?
The saying "if they are good enough, they are old enough" is bollocks. Managers are shit scared of putting in young players because they make mistakes and the mistakes could cost them their job.
All of a sudden Lopes is being labelled as not good enough to make it at City which again is bollocks, he is good enough to make it at City, it's just he has Sterling, Silva and now De Bryune ahead of him, even Nasri and Navas won't get ahead of them and they are experienced international footballers.
Unfortunately the Academy at City is now a money making scheme, you see it with all the influx of Spanish players coming over, none of them will make it but they can be bought for cheap, promoted in the shop window on first team tours and the odd bench appearance, move to a mid table top tier side on loan, do well and then be sold for profit, the english lads are just there to supplement the team and you'll get the odd one like Barker who looks a little bit special for his age.
You are not telling me that Pozo was a better player than Hiwula, but he cost money, big money for a player his age and city needed to recoup that, Hiwula cost nothing.
You buy Angelino, Maffeo, Pozo, Manu Garcia, Aleix Garcia all for around a combined total fee of £5m, expose them in the EDS, take them on first team tours, excotic exciting youngsters at a top English club, get a good loan, sold for double the profit with sell on percentages if they do well and a buy back clause if they do really well, it's a great business model, none of those five Spanish players will play for us and they won't be that much better than the lads who are here already, they will follow Suarez and Roman back to Spain.
Finally, Ferguson was right, football goes in cycles, when was the last player who made it at Barca?
SamTheGuru
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The two in my opinion are very difficult to acheive in the modern world of fottball and being a big club. I’d rather success everyday of the week I’m not bothered where the players come from as long as they are dedicated and provide entertaining football. All I keep reading is that we don’t give tomorrow’s future a chance. I trust the professionals at the club who are employed for their skills and who see our youth day in and day out too many people play FIFA/Football Manager and think they can spot talent because they’ve played a few computer games. At the end of the day if a player is good enough and willing to learn their trade the hard way they will make it if not get rid simple. Give the academy time to bed in and in 4 or 5 years time we should start to reap some benefits, but don’t be surprised if at least 90% of the youth are sold it will take crazy talent to break through and maybe like 1 player every 3 years.
Football has evolved so much over the last 2 decades since United's lottery youth win. Never again are youth players going to break through into top teams. The scouting networks and worldwide coverage that the majority of the teams have mean that there is no need to ever place your faith in a youth player or risk him. If he is starting to look good then he goes out on loan for a few seasons. After that you sell him with buyback clauses. It is all about proven experience and ability. I really wish people would get to grips with that reality.
it is about getting the balance right while I would love to see a few from the acadamey in the first team ,I wouldn't want it at the expense of not winning a tropheyThe two in my opinion are very difficult to acheive in the modern world of fottball and being a big club. I’d rather success everyday of the week I’m not bothered where the players come from as long as they are dedicated and provide entertaining football. All I keep reading is that we don’t give tomorrow’s future a chance. I trust the professionals at the club who are employed for their skills and who see our youth day in and day out too many people play FIFA/Football Manager and think they can spot talent because they’ve played a few computer games. At the end of the day if a player is good enough and willing to learn their trade the hard way they will make it if not get rid simple. Give the academy time to bed in and in 4 or 5 years time we should start to reap some benefits, but don’t be surprised if at least 90% of the youth are sold it will take crazy talent to break through and maybe like 1 player every 3 years.
Scaring Europe to Death
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It’s also relevant to expose a constantly regurgitated myth.
The Class of 92 wasn’t a freak of nature. It was merely the last ring, on a chain of obligatory homegrown talent that would surface, almost automatically, from every nook and cranny, for more than a century, of virtually every team in contention for major honours.
In 1976 both Manchester teams reached Wembley finals. One of them fielded six players, born within 20 miles of Manchester, and the other team had Brian Greenhoff from Barnsley.
Liverpool boasted Case, Callaghan, Smith, and Thompson. Villa had Brummies galore when they won the European Cup.
In an ideal world, we’d win the Champions League with eleven Mancs, but funnily enough, it was David Gill and David Dein who sold our ideal world to the highest bidder.
The Class of 92 wasn’t a freak of nature. It was merely the last ring, on a chain of obligatory homegrown talent that would surface, almost automatically, from every nook and cranny, for more than a century, of virtually every team in contention for major honours.
In 1976 both Manchester teams reached Wembley finals. One of them fielded six players, born within 20 miles of Manchester, and the other team had Brian Greenhoff from Barnsley.
Liverpool boasted Case, Callaghan, Smith, and Thompson. Villa had Brummies galore when they won the European Cup.
In an ideal world, we’d win the Champions League with eleven Mancs, but funnily enough, it was David Gill and David Dein who sold our ideal world to the highest bidder.
BadApple
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No idea why anyone would pose the question "youth or success" as if you cannot have both? Last year we had neither
What about the year before?
IanBishopsHaircut
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I think the main think here is we are in a very good position...With our incredible youth system now in place...If there is a 10 year old Messi out there...chances are we will be looking to snaffle him up
If we can get 1 or 2 first team players out of our youth on a consistent basis making the transition out of the hundreds that will come through our doors then we will be doing very well
The ones that don't make it we can sell on for small profits
If we can get 1 or 2 first team players out of our youth on a consistent basis making the transition out of the hundreds that will come through our doors then we will be doing very well
The ones that don't make it we can sell on for small profits
It’s also relevant to expose a constantly regurgitated myth.
The Class of 92 wasn’t a freak of nature. It was merely the last ring, on a chain of obligatory homegrown talent that would surface, almost automatically, from every nook and cranny, for more than a century, of virtually every team in contention for major honours.
In 1976 both Manchester teams reached Wembley finals. One of them fielded six players, born within 20 miles of Manchester, and the other team had Brian Greenhoff from Barnsley.
Liverpool boasted Case, Callaghan, Smith, and Thompson. Villa had Brummies galore when they won the European Cup.
In an ideal world, we’d win the Champions League with eleven Mancs, but funnily enough, it was David Gill and David Dein who sold our ideal world to the highest bidder.
Is this right? What about that rag myth about having a youth team player in every match day squad since 1465?
Rammyblues
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IMO You will never win with kids. Barca have it sussed, loan them out or sell them with a buy back clause. Having B teams would also help. It only takes a few sales for the academy to be profitable.
CheethamHillBlue
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Is this right? What about that rag myth about having a youth team player in every match day squad since 1465?
Probably counting David McCreery who came on as a sub.