Monkfish
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Seen this bullshit kind of post twice this weekend. So we can't question anything the club does anymore as we do not work for the club? Fuck off. No offense.
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Zinchenko, Mooy, Roberts, Moreno, and the new Spanish defender
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Seen this bullshit kind of post twice this weekend. So we can't question anything the club does anymore as we do not work for the club? Fuck off. No offense.
lancs blue
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Sorry but that's romantic nonsense, in the 70s we were one of the biggest spenders in English football as well as having some HG players. In the late 80s we ended up with an increasing number of HG players because of a good crop of kids but also because the money wasn't there any more thanks to Swales's poor administration. Nothing whatever to do with "soul".I've watched YouTube clips of Moreno and Jesus Colin and they have dazzling skills. I wouldn't say we've lost our soul but I think I understand where the OP is coming from. Do you remember players like BarnescPalmer Redmond white Mouldon etc etc. All local home grown players. We're a totally different club to when at Maine road, only the shirt colour and us supporters are the same. Perhaps 'losing our Soul' can become a thread if older blues think that we have ?
BlueMoonRisin’
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Fair enoughSorry but that's romantic nonsense, in the 70s we were one of the biggest spenders in English football as well as having some HG players. In the late 80s we ended up with an increasing number of HG players because of a good crop of kids but also because the money wasn't there any more thanks to Swales's poor administration. Nothing whatever to do with "soul".
goalmole
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What does it even mean when people talk of soul in terms of we had it then but we don't have it now? For me the only difference is that we were shite on the field and didn't have a pot to piss in off it whereas now we are one of the best run clubs in the world both on and off the field. The only thing I can interpret this soul that we don't have anymore is that there were some people who enjoyed wallowing in the club's misery and are sorry the club can't provide it anymore. Perhaps someone could enlighten me regarding this lost soul.I saw recently they had done a study and found that loyalty and allegiance are forged as much if not more by negative experiences as positive. So you are probably right there are possibly quite a few who yearn for the old days.
I personally am a greedy f@!?er who wants it all. I want us to be absolute shite whilst winning the champions league.
Soul is overrated, unless its northern.
lancs blue
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I feel that the supporters are the soul of any football club because all other components - owners, managers, players - come and go but the main constant factor is the supporters.What does it even mean when people talk of soul in terms of we had it then but we don't have it now? For me the only difference is that we were shite on the field and didn't have a pot to piss in off it whereas now we are one of the best run clubs in the world both on and off the field. The only thing I can interpret this soul that we don't have anymore is that there were some people who enjoyed wallowing in the club's misery and are sorry the club can't provide it anymore. Perhaps someone could enlighten me regarding this lost soul.
gordondaviesmoustache
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Three of those players you mentioned(Barnes, Palmer, Moulden) were ruthlessly discarded by the club after being shunned by the incumbent manager (Allison, Benson, Machin). White was shipped out of the door to facilitate the purchase of a fading mercenary (Rocastle) and Redmond was moved on when it was clear he wasn't going to develop any further, in spite of previously displaying great loyalty to City when other clubs came knocking.I've watched YouTube clips of Moreno and Jesus Colin and they have dazzling skills. I wouldn't say we've lost our soul but I think I understand where the OP is coming from. Do you remember players like BarnescPalmer Redmond white Mouldon etc etc. All local home grown players. We're a totally different club to when at Maine road, only the shirt colour and us supporters are the same. Perhaps 'losing our Soul' can become a thread if older blues think that we have ?
Football clubs have, almost without exception, been ruthless organisations, lacking any real sentiment. City being no exception. People frequently forget this.
goalmole
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Is that the German equivalent of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"?#arbeitmachtfrei
Too busy being all misty eyed about the past.Football clubs have, almost without exception, been ruthless organisations, lacking any real sentiment. City being no exception. People frequently forget this.
goalmole
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We've still got plenty of supporters though, so how does that relate to a lost soul?I feel that the supporters are the soul of any football club because all other components - owners, managers, players - come and go but the main constant factor is the supporters.
lancs blue
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I've no idea, I don't think we've lost our soul.We've still got plenty of supporters though, so how does that relate to a lost soul?
gordondaviesmoustache
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Not quite.Is that the German equivalent of "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"?
Plays By Sense Of Smell
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We've still got plenty of supporters though, so how does that relate to a lost soul?
Phonetically speaking, we've lost danny mills in the not too distant past...
goalmole
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Ah so.Phonetically speaking, we've lost danny mills in the not too distant past...
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"it is like a sport version of human trafficking except the players involved get well paid and are not harmed. But it is trading people for profit and to me I just don't agreewith to it."
And yet most companies out there in the real world attract, incentivise and then divest themselves of talent without so much as a by your leave Re: signing on fees/percentage cut for said talent. This however, is generally accepted as ok?
goalmole
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I don't quite know what it means so I can't really say if we've still got it or not but I'll try and tell you what I think people are trying to say.I've no idea, I don't think we've lost our soul.
They are basically questioning the loyalty and motives of the current fanbase. What they are saying is that because City fans were supporting us in adversity when we were shit, their loyalty was beyond questioning because they weren't supporting the club for glory because there was no prospect of the club attaining glory. However these days because the club is on an upward trajectory the fans motives for supporting the club are open to question because newer fans may be seen as "gloryhunters". This is a line usually peddled by those who believe their motives as supporters to be purer than of others, usually for their own self aggrandisement. In my opinion this lost soul argument is all a load of old bollocks.
gordondaviesmoustache
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From 1973 to 1998 we were owned by two utterly ruthless, selfish egomaniacs that were routinely dishonest with supporters, who they didn't give a flying fuck about.
imo, that should be the reference point when discussing any loss of soul since that time.
imo, that should be the reference point when discussing any loss of soul since that time.