Referees/Officials

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You are seeing nothing more or less than Scudamore and the PL manipulating the destination of the title and top 4 every season.

He has virtually admitted to it.
 
Good article by Stuart Brennan, changes nothing. Until referees are required to explain decisions publicly, nothing will change. I have no issue with mistakes, they happen all the time in all walks of life. However in general, people are required to explain/atone/correct them. Referees it would seem are not
 
moomba said:
I used to moan about refs. Don't even get angry any more. I don't think the consiously cheat during a game, they're just not fit for purpose.

After the game they'll say and do what Trafford Mike Riley tells them.
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I think some of them do cheat. For example, as often happens, when you see persistent fouling unpunished and then the card comes out immediately for one of our own with an innocuous first offence. Sometimes it's blindingly obvious they are trying to affect the result.
 
blueinsa said:
You are seeing nothing more or less than Scudamore and the PL manipulating the destination of the title and top 4 every season.

He has virtually admitted to it.
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Absolutely bang on the button.
While naive fans up and down the country were busy fixing away match ticket prices and noisy singing ends
The powers that be were quietly " putting plans into place to ensure there are different winners of the premier league each season"
For those of you who still haven't grasped the fucker,the premiership global audience is far more important than you.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
And doesn't even mention Kante going through the back of Gundogan in the area in that Chelsea match!
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It doesn't mention a whole host of incidents. Wilshere's handball at the Emirates in the 2-2, the 3 penalties Oliver ignored in the last but one derby at the Etihad, 2 of which were blatant, Chalobah staying on the field for the same offence Fernandinho was red carded for (as part of the same incident as well!), Son Heung Min getting a 'talking to' for the EXACT same offence Sergio was booked for at Burnley earlier in the season by the same referee, and if you want to chuck the Chimps League into the equation, Kun and Raheem both booked for diving when they were clearly tripped. If you want to go back further, remember Fatty Dowd giving that outrageous handball against Micah in the League Cup semi, or Carragher's horrendous (and unpunished) two footer in the return leg, barely 3 days after Vinny was sent off against the rags for the same offence amidst a blizzard of publicity over 'that type of foul'? And that's without even starting on the benevolence shown to our rivals so they might prosper at our expense. No-one remembers it now, but whilst we were beating West Ham to win the title in 2014, Dowd (again) was at Klanfield where with Liverpool losing he produced two of the lamest red cards you will ever see for Newcastle players (one for an accidental collision in the middle of the park, the other for the mildest piece of dissent imaginable over the awarding of a free kick to the dippers) to try and turn the game for them.

We're at the point now where my default position for any big game involving City is that I go to the match expecting to be cheated, and it doesn't matter if we're talking about media pressure, FA pressure, conscious bias, unconscious bias, or referees who lack the integrity to register their true allegiances with the FA as the catalyst, the fact is we are the ones getting stiffed over and over and over again.
 
We could go back and highlight many, but I think it's best to stick to this season and the English refs, partly because I can remember most of them still!

Some of those are potentially arguable - there have certainly been differing opinions for the Aguero/Son thing on here - but the stack is pretty good just for this season. Stephen Tudor could probably just compile them to make an article! It would be instructive to see what we've got that we shouldn't have got, but I suspect it may be quite a short list.

It's harder to recall which linesmen make the howlers, but in many ways, they're worse. e.g. Walker's push for example must have been there for the linesman to see, but I think Marriner's view was blocked by Walker.
I also think the linesman ought to have seen one of the double foul on Sunday - it just gave the impression that Oliver had told his linesman not to give fouls.

And that's before the trial by video/absence of trial by video for Swedish players and Rojo.

What I detest is the preening of Riley and his 98% correct decisions, and linesman have 45 offsides a match to decide on. It's rubbish, as most of them are yards onside. The only thing that matters is wrong decisions - if it was reported that a ref gave 10 penalties against City a season there would be outrage, but if they were all for e.g. handball on the goalline, then there wouldn't be any complaint at the ref for applying the laws.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
Absolutely bang on the button.
While naive fans up and down the country were busy fixing away match ticket prices and noisy singing ends
The powers that be were quietly " putting plans into place to ensure there are different winners of the premier league each season"
For those of you who still haven't grasped the fucker,the premiership global audience is far more important than you.
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Those Scudamore comments rarely get the credence and recognition they deserve.
 
So once again Michael Oliver blatantly fails to give us a penalty my Raheem was clattered by James Milner and their goalkeeper. Is Michael Oliver a Liverpool or a rag supporter it certainly looks like it. That ref should not be allowed any where near a Manchester City match ever again. I just don't trust him ever to give us the right decision. I have just got a funny feeling that he will be given the Manchester derby, and a rag player will punch the ball off the goal line and he will still say it is not a penalty.

Michael Oliver is not fit to ref even on the playing field of Hough End.
 
Michael Oliver, no penalty this week against dippers, no penalty in League Cup Final last season against dippers, no penalty against Southampton but books Serge for diving. Do we see a pattern.

Incidentally it was him reffing last week rags v Chel $ki when he lost control.
 
Look at the crap Dave Kidd from The Sun writes today. He alleges that listening to the Liverpool game on TV he was sure there were cast iron penalties and sendings off but after watching later he thought 'Oliver handled a frenetic contest very effectively'.

And that Klopp rightly insisted any possible red card would have ruined a thriller but 'the po faced Pep' had 'called for an emergency summit of PL referees'.

But 'if officials made as many mistakes as Guardiola this term, they'd be hung, drawn and quartered.'

He ends by saying Pep is 'almost as boorish as Mourinho'

Kidd is an appropriate name for anyone writing that assessment of reality. Though the only one he is kidding is himself.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
Absolutely bang on the button.
While naive fans up and down the country were busy fixing away match ticket prices and noisy singing ends
The powers that be were quietly " putting plans into place to ensure there are different winners of the premier league each season"
For those of you who still haven't grasped the fucker,the premiership global audience is far more important than you.
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Never a truer word has been spoken. Money rules first, second and third these days. It is all that matters in today's world I'm afraid.
 
Time for the club to go to war with the Mediah. if we just keep taking it, they will just keep giving it. Time to ban the feckers or put the journos amongst City fans who can give them a good slap.
As to referees. It's not just the big decisions it's mainly the small decisions. Against Liverpool we couldn't go near a Liverpool play without giving a foul away yet they could go through the back of ours with impunity. It's every game though - you'd expect X% of the fouls +/- a bit if you had x% of the possession, but our opponents always get considerably more fouls than us. It is frankly a joke.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Time for the club to go to war with the Mediah. if we just keep taking it, they will just keep giving it. Time to ban the feckers or put the journos amongst City fans who can give them a good slap.
As to referees. It's not just the big decisions it's mainly the small decisions. Against Liverpool we couldn't go near a Liverpool play without giving a foul away yet they could go through the back of ours with impunity. It's every game though - you'd expect X% of the fouls +/- a bit if you had x% of the possession, but our opponents always get considerably more fouls than us. It is frankly a joke.
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The dippers weren't touched most of the time they just go to ground to buy a foul as the media would say but i call it cheating,Hazard does the same thing,we don't do it as a tactical ploy and i'm glad we don't,the mind boggles when fouls like the one on raz are ignored by the refs and raz and sergio get booked for diving in other games
 
Once again we see that making a decision against us doesnt get the criticism, ridicule or scorn from the press that making a decision against one of the chosen teams does. Often it's turned around on us like in the Sun piece.

A 50/50 decision involving the rags and it must be in the back of the refs mind that if they get it wrong one way they'll be open to scrutiny. Get it wrong the other way no-one will be too fussed.

A strong ref and a strong refs body should be able to make the right decidions regardless of these influences. We have neither and will continue to be reamed until that changes.
 
One in particular, can't remember who the Liverpool defender was (Clyne?), he was by his own corner flag, Sane had closed him down but was being careful not to touch him, he backs into Sane and falls over, free kick Liverpool.
 
Norbiton said:
One in particular, can't remember who the Liverpool defender was (Clyne?), he was by his own corner flag, Sane had closed him down but was being careful not to touch him, he backs into Sane and falls over, free kick Liverpool.
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Always annoys me that whoever the opposition, they are allowed to get away with persistent niggly fouls ...4, 5, 6 times etc., with not a word of caution from the ref – first time Kev or Merlin do the same thing, they're straight in the book!!! Cnuts!
 
I refuse to believe that the club aren't doing something behind-the-scenes. I mean, they have to be. If I were being unfairly treated at work, I would absolutely speak up. With so much money involved there's no way they're just willing to accept such obvious inconsistencies and questionable decisions.

I'm quite possibly very wrong though.
 
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