The perfect fumble
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You're right, I have a small penis.
Len Rum
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Was wondering about Gibraltar.Re this 'Gibraltar thing'
What does not seem to be discussed is the absolute arrogance of a Polish ex-PM, now a 'EU leading light' making such a proclamation about a land border between 2 major European nations - Spain and the UK - without any consultation with either of them.
Fucking disgrace and typical of the utter arrogance of the EU
Why don't they apply to remain in the EU , they're not part of the U.K. ( unlike Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland).
Not sure why they were allowed a vote.
They could still remain a Crown Dependency and stay in the EU.
Everyone's a winner.
I admit I didn't really understand which bits you thought would mean a breach of the Treaty. There's obviously a problem when the Treaty says the EU shall negotiate a deal with the state leaving the EU but is silent about what happens if negotiations get nowhere.Seriously - You expect the EU to disregard it's own treaties? Any other treaty it should disregard? Maybe the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, or the Chemical Weapons Convention.
Re this 'Gibraltar thing'
What does not seem to be discussed is the absolute arrogance of a Polish ex-PM, now a 'EU leading light' making such a proclamation about a land border between 2 major European nations - Spain and the UK - without any consultation with either of them.
Fucking disgrace and typical of the utter arrogance of the EU
You don't think that's a little bit racist? What's his nationality got to do with it? For a negotiator you do seem to get rattled easily.
I admit I didn't really understand which bits you thought would mean a breach of the Treaty. There's obviously a problem when the Treaty says the EU shall negotiate a deal with the state leaving the EU but is silent about what happens if negotiations get nowhere.
You don't think that's a little bit racist? What's his nationality got to do with it? For a negotiator you do seem to get rattled easily.
No, not at all in the context I have posted.
And speaking as someone experienced in negotiations, it was interesting that having set out some detail of how I would approach negotiations some days ago none of the Remainers sought to challenge any aspect of what I posted.
Certainly I have not seen any suggestions from a Remainer of how to manage the negotiations - just cheap shots to run the UK down.
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You're right, I have a small penis.
I was thinking more about a lack of debating substance, but if putting that out there helps you get something off your chest - fine
sir baconface
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The size of the cannon matters less than the power of the shot.
Separate thread maybe but the Non-Proliferation treaty may not be a good example of the UK's regard for treaties.Seriously - You expect the EU to disregard it's own treaties? Any other treaty it should disregard? Maybe the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, or the Chemical Weapons Convention.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-mp-reckless-irresponsible-123-a7631546.html
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blueinsa
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The size of the cannon matters less than the power of the shot.
This the EU though where all cannons have to be the same length, certainly not bent and shot, rigorously tested to defined standards.
Bummer if you happen to be the proud owner of a big un!
No, not at all in the context I have posted.
And speaking as someone experienced in negotiations, it was interesting that having set out some detail of how I would approach negotiations some days ago none of the Remainers sought to challenge any aspect of what I posted.
Certainly I have not seen any suggestions from a Remainer of how to manage the negotiations - just cheap shots to run the UK down.
That's because we're all reasonable people wanting the best possible deal for the UK and the EU.
We can't have the best possible deal (the status quo) and the next best possible deal (the same arrangements but outside the EU with no vote) has been ruled out by the Daily Mail. So everything now is beyond what Remainers want, and anything we suggest is treacherous in your eyes, running down the UK. Simply, May is acting against her own (previous) view of the benefits of membership, running under this jingoistic flag of the "will of the people" (I don't think many voted for your approved negotiating tactic of a scorched earth / jump off a cliff ultimate threat).
The negotiations are in the hands of people who don't agree amongst themselves (I'm not sure Boris even agrees with himself). They are their own enemy within. They don't need us.
Article X of the Treaty of Utrecht seems designed to prevent Gibraltar being used to avoid Spanish import duties so Spain agreeing to any deal seems well within the terms of the Treaty. Preventing Gibraltar being a duty free mecca for Costa del Sol tourists seems eminently sensible.
Magicpole
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No - it is what it is. There will always be some of the herd that will not have the wit to do what is right for them at a given point in time.
It seems only commonsense that if you are a Remainer then in June 2016 you vote to Remain - if you are a Remainer that wishes the best for the UK in the future then you get behind the UK in the 2017 - 2019 negotiating period.
Commonsense perhaps, but not all UK citizens have commonsense and a number would rather see the UK struggle to the benefit of the EU
As I say - it is what it is
How does your "getting behind the uk" manifest itself?
A free run?
Let them just get in with it?
What if how they are "getting on with it" is not up to what we require?
Do we just say, well we voted to leave so any old shite is acceptable?
Mayday Mayday has already backtracked in the no deal better than a bad deal for a simple reason. It's economic suicide.
You cannot expect the 48% who voted to remain to just down tools if the gov are making an arse of it.
They need scrutinised and called out. That's democracy where there should never be a free ride in anything.
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blueinsa
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How does your "getting behind the uk" manifest itself?
Probably the same way you get behind Scotland and the SNP of late in pretty much everything they say and do and the plans they have for the future.
Magicpole
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Probably the same way you get behind Scotland and the SNP of late in pretty much everything they say and do and the plans they have for the future.
That includes opposing them when I don't agree. You never support or agree with everything. That's impossible but you need to challenge and try to influence policy.
I'm too fucking moany to give anyone a free ride. They need to earn support. This gov is taking us into I chartered waters and we have a duty to keep and eye on where they are steering us.
jay_mcfc
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How does your "getting behind the uk" manifest itself?
A free run?
Let them just get in with it?
What if how they are "getting on with it" is not up to what we require?
Do we just say, well we voted to leave so any old shite is acceptable?
Mayday Mayday has already backtracked in the no deal better than a bad deal for a simple reason. It's economic suicide.
You cannot expect the 48% who voted to remain to just down tools if the gov are making an arse of it.
They need scrutinised and called out. That's democracy where there should never be a free ride in anything.
It's like the previous 17 years of Farage and 23 years of UKIP didn't exist. Everyone was just 'getting on with it' and
making Britain Great again' until 2016 when we had an accidental referendum that no-one campaigned for. And now everyone is just getting on with it again in the fight to make Britain Great again.
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blueinsa
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That includes opposing them when I don't agree. You never support or agree with everything. That's impossible but you need to challenge and try to influence policy.
I'm too fucking moany to give anyone a free ride. They need to earn support. This gov is taking us into I chartered waters and we have a duty to keep and eye on where they are steering us.
Your issue is that you dont support them full stop. Nothing they have done or will do is good enough for you because you just dont want it. You are approaching the next 2/3 years with closed ears, eyes and mind.
At what point do you as a citizen of the UK say right, time to get behind them and get the best deal for Great Britain?
Magicpole
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Your issue is that you dont support them full stop. Nothing they have done or will do is good enough for you because you just dont want it. You are approaching the next 2/3 years with closed ears, eyes and mind.
At what point do you as a citizen of the UK say right, time to get behind them and get the best deal for Great Britain?
You still haven't answered how that manifests itself. Do I trust them to get the best deal? I trust them to try. It's just that their interpretation of best might not be mine.
Are you suggesting we just say nothing but cheer from the sides regardless of how things progress?
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blueinsa
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You still haven't answered how that manifests itself. Do I trust them to get the best deal? I trust them to try. It's just that their interpretation of best might not be mine.
Are you suggesting we just say nothing but cheer from the sides regardless of how things progress?
I think we let them at least start the process and see where its heading before demanding heads on a spike.
I live and work in Scotland and passionately believe in the union but trust me, if and when Scotland votes to leave and its only a matter of time imo, if im still alive i will then get behind it and wish it a complete success because thats surely in our best interests?
sir baconface
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Just catching up. Have we nuked Spain yet? More importantly, has anyone else owned up to having a small penis?
Kazzydeyna
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Just catching up. Have we nuked Spain yet? More importantly, has anyone else owned up to having a small penis?
If it helps the debate mine is fairly normal in size and girth although these days as the years advance I find myself having to take a 2 or 3 day 'run up' if I need to use it in anger.
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blueinsa
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If it helps the debate mine is fairly normal in size and girth although these days as the years advance I find myself having to take a 2 or 3 day 'run up' if I need to use it in anger.
Its when you say to the wife its armed and ready and she just cant be arsed to key the fucking launch code in!
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