Clichy gets the ball first before contact and there is no difference if it's the keeper, same rules apply as Graham Poll confirmed at half time today it was a penalty despite the keeper getting the slightest of touches... what this shows is lots of people don't understand the rules... which is deliberate as far as I'm concerned, so the FA can justify different decisions, of the same incidents for different teams.....
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Clichy gets the ball first before contact and there is no difference if it's the keeper, same rules apply as Graham Poll confirmed at half time today it was a penalty despite the keeper getting the slightest of touches... what this shows is lots of people don't understand the rules... which is deliberate as far as I'm concerned, so the FA can justify different decisions, of the same incidents for different teams.....
I'm very excited for city...but what you are saying makes no sense in terms of TODAY'S game.
Quite simply, the game opened up because kompany scored from a set piece. Going down 0-1 like this forced the saints to come out of the gates. My point is that you cannot always depend on opening games up in such circumstances(city have never scored reliably from corners/set pieces except maybe direct free kicks from yaya), and the joy of winning 3-0 should not overshadow the glaring need to be realistic about city's big problems breaking defensive teams down from open play.
Good result, great day for kompany and the fans, but largely papering over some huge cracks from prior to the vinny goal.
On the positive note, given the defense looked more solid and some big games are coming up against more attacking teams, hopefully that means city will be afforded the space to hurt the likes of arsenal and the rags...Vinny needs to stay fit until the end of the season mind.
Oh just shut up you boring ****, you've repeated the same bullshit point about half a dozen times in this thread and however you try to hide it a goal is a goal. Whether it's a Vinny header or comes off Aguero's left testicle, who gives a shit.
Michael Ballack was reported to say that Sane would make a good Pep style left back. Well, if Navas can do it, Sane will do it in his sleep..food for thought
Meanwhile, I salute the comeback kid, our very own Captain Fantastic, Mr Vincent Kompany..
...and I was reported to say that MB (whom I respected as a player) is talking BS: Jesus, a fantastic winger at his prime, has his best days behind him. Pretty much one-dimentional in his game now, with a predictable dribbling routine et etc etc. But he epitomises professionalism, he is determined to fight for his place in the team -which shows on the pitch. I am happy for him and will have no problem if it proves out to be he still has a future with City as a squad player next season...
On the other hand, performing as a winger, Sane IS already a key player for City, even though he's nowhere close being a complete player yet. His impact is fantastic even though the odds were against such an early development, given his age and personality. Credit to Guardiola for his patience, treating him so carefully, being a father figure to him. But while already being extremely competent, we clearly haven't explored the whole variety of elements in his game. He needs to improve in certain areas, he definitely needs to mature mentally too -which will not be a linear process (it never is actually). He oftens loses concentration during matches which influences his sharpness, decision making, determination, tactical behaviour (forgetting to follow his wing back, for example, etc). You need a sense of responsibility as a left back, you need defensive discipline, defensive skills, positional awareness, being 100% alert and focused throughout 90', a fighting spirit and determination to win (at least not lose...) individual battles, and so on. There's no reason forcing a player to become something out of his nature. Leroy's potential as a forward (his position out wide being simply his initial tactical reference) seems unlimited, therefore we should keep supporting the boy, being patient, providing him all the information and advice needed so that he improves, gets better and better...
It only shows you once again that only a very small percentage of people playing the game actually have a decent understanding of its tactical realities. It doesn't matter how good they were / are, it's irrelevant. An even smaller percentage will become managers after retiring, and an even smaller one will actually succeed in that profession. A statistic that will never change due to the complexity of the game (which means "decent" punditry is a lost battle by the way...).
so why doesn't sane appeal then and why does he say it wasn't a penalty?
i couldn't care less as in my view it aint a penalty and neither is it in sane's view or they refs at the time.......people need to get over the ref stuff on here...mistakes are made ( id not think this was one) and thats what makes the game exciting as there is sometimes human error.
You don't know Sane would have still got the ball either...you presume
Even Zabaleta would have got the ball before it trickled out and he's slower than me these days so I think it's a safe bet to say Sane would have too.
any ref....... except the one on the pitch.... !!!!
thats all that maters....
People on here love to have the excuse of the ref...it happens even before a ball is kicked. its like a protection mechanism that kicks in even days before the game...people start "betting" on certain ref's giving dodgy decisions and saying its why we might lose/or not win. They do this cause its easier/nicer/safer to make an excuse and get that excuse in so they can then hark back to it and say "i told you so" instead of admitting at those times that the team just wasn't good enough on that one occasion (which some never can)....that is a hard thing to do for some and impossible for a few...
Of course wrong decisions can be made and are made but thats the beauty of the game....its still open to human error and its a small part of why its so exciting....
Like i also said in reply to someone else...the keeper gets a touch and because its a keeper it aint a foul (if an outfield player had done it it probably would have been a foul) but keepers get a different set of "rules" (unwritten) as well.
People just need to man up a bit on this subject and accept its part of the game.
Because it's a keeper it ain't a foul? Please do explain that to me because you clearly don't understand the rules of the game.
Just seen the penalty appeal for the first time. Super slow mo says correct decision but fuck me, I had to see about four different angles before I was convinced. Not sure how the ref spotted it in real time.
No doubt the keeper got a faint touch, but that doesn't mean it's not a pen. He impeded Sane getting to the ball after he touched it, which according to the rules means it's a penalty... if your bothered, try finding the BT half time analysis, where Graham Poll clearly explains why it is a penalty according to the current rules....
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Jesus wept we now have hordes of fans now believing we weren't robbed of a penalty because of a non existent touch from Forster.
I guarantee you that 99 times out of a hundred a player who beats the goalkeeper to the ball and who is then subsequently brought down that a penalty would be awarded but not if your name is Manchester City. I have watched tens of replays and particularly one, side on, from the incident, and it is 'clear' he takes out Sane who would have gone on to slot the ball home.
Why would Sane not have stayed on his feet given the opportunity to? In fact I would go so far as to say it is probably one of the easiest penalty decisions to give when you contrast it with the Liverpool penalty given against us.
I am sick of seeing a replay from behind the keeper as you have no sense of distance or perspective so you freeze it at a particular point and it looks like the keeper is touching the ball when in reality he could be 1, 2, 3 or 4 feet from it!!
Yet again the massed hordes of City fans choose to believe the vested interests of the media. FFS open your eyes and make your own judgement!!
I guarantee you that 99 times out of a hundred a player who beats the goalkeeper to the ball and who is then subsequently brought down that a penalty would be awarded but not if your name is Manchester City. I have watched tens of replays and particularly one, side on, from the incident, and it is 'clear' he takes out Sane who would have gone on to slot the ball home.
Why would Sane not have stayed on his feet given the opportunity to? In fact I would go so far as to say it is probably one of the easiest penalty decisions to give when you contrast it with the Liverpool penalty given against us.
I am sick of seeing a replay from behind the keeper as you have no sense of distance or perspective so you freeze it at a particular point and it looks like the keeper is touching the ball when in reality he could be 1, 2, 3 or 4 feet from it!!
Yet again the massed hordes of City fans choose to believe the vested interests of the media. FFS open your eyes and make your own judgement!!
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Then brick his windows, torch his car etc?Just ask him how's he enjoying 6th place and wish him luck for their 'massive' game on Thursday night.
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he may have chose not to give it cause he wasn't sure....and that is still the right decision.
he may have chosen not to give it cause Sane doesn't appeal......I like that a player of ours decided not to try and con the ref (as plenty of others do)
I wonder what people would have said if it was Ashley Young in the exact same position.....the outcry on here would have been defending (and he is someone who would have gone down there and appealed for it)
You, like the ref, are wrong: that should have been a penalty. The keeper does not make a save but he does bring Sane down. It's Sane that moves the ball; the keeper's merest of touches on the ball is inconsequential; his contact with Leroy is not.
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Stuffs coming off kun's testicle ?Oh just shut up you boring ****, you've repeated the same bullshit point about half a dozen times in this thread and however you try to hide it a goal is a goal. Whether it's a Vinny header or comes off Aguero's left testicle, who gives a shit.
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Delighted with today's game. Seen the game twice, once at ground and just finished watching BT coverage.
Lots of good performances; Vinnie and KDB the most outstanding. Dave and Yaya just knitted everything together. The defence were solid. Sergio worked his rocks off even though not everything he touched turned to gold.
Have to wonder if Pep had City work on that movement of KDB going to the byline around the edge of the six yard area?
Lots of good performances; Vinnie and KDB the most outstanding. Dave and Yaya just knitted everything together. The defence were solid. Sergio worked his rocks off even though not everything he touched turned to gold.
Have to wonder if Pep had City work on that movement of KDB going to the byline around the edge of the six yard area?
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Clichy gets the ball first before contact and there is no difference if it's the keeper, same rules apply as Graham Poll confirmed at half time today it was a penalty despite the keeper getting the slightest of touches... what this shows is lots of people don't understand the rules... which is deliberate as far as I'm concerned, so the FA can justify different decisions, of the same incidents for different teams.....
Im not saying the rules are different but they are interpreted differently (wrongly but all the time) when a keeper is involved.
The ref that gave the feedback on the highlights i just saw also said that the ref had to be sure to give a penalty and if he wasn't then it was the right decision not to give a penalty (even though his point of view having watched the video numerous times was that it was a penalty). He said it was a "grey one" (i.e. very difficult to decide) and therefore the ref was right not to give it as it wasn't clear cut.
The players reaction says it all to me....Sane says it wasn't a penalty nor did he appeal at the time.
The goal keeper gets a touch (that is undeniable) but he cant exactly then suddenly get out of the way/he cant disappear so there is going to be contact but that comes after the ball has been touched.
I not believe the Clichy one was a penalty either just so you know
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Goes without saying.Then brick his windows, torch his car etc?
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Because it's a keeper it ain't a foul? Please do explain that to me because you clearly don't understand the rules of the game.
Ive just explained it to some one else.
Im not saying that...Im saying that rules are interpreted differently (wrongly so) when the keeper is involved. Sorry if i didnt make that clear.
For example, you cannot even touch the keeper now in the 6 yd area without giving a foul away but two players jumping for a high ball and they touch and a foul isn't given (sometimes)
Im not saying tis right but there is often a different interpretation of the rules when a keeper is involved....(again wrongly) in my view but it does happen.
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You, like the ref, are wrong: that should have been a penalty. The keeper does not make a save but he does bring Sane down. It's Sane that moves the ball; the keeper's merest of touches on the ball is inconsequential; his contact with Leroy is not.
no I'm not wrong....my opinion is just different to yours.....i can handle that
No argument from me. Vinny was a key miss.Fit Vinny all season we would have won this league. Love the guy to bits. Excellent performance special mention for Navas who was good again
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no I'm not wrong....my opinion is just different to yours.....i can handle that
An opinion different to mine is the definition of wrong.
Typical bloody City,worked myself up into a right state prior to kick off and what happens,no bloody stress,no gut wrenching agony,no nail biting,a bloody stroll in the park.Add to that Vincent bloody Kompany,I,m waiting for his usual ham string injury when up he launches himself for a bullet header for the opening goal,then he tears off like a demented loon to share his joy with the fans.Sorry I can,t watch this type of performance,it looks so easy,I want to have a good moan,bloody hell even Navas could have shared Man of the match.why has it all gone wrong.Come back Pierce,had a good moan when he was in charge.Typical.
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Chuffed for the Bravo clean sheet.
As a fellow american from the south, I wish him the best every time he's keeping for the Blues. Would never boo him.
As a fellow american from the south, I wish him the worst every time he's keeping for la rota. Will always boo him (healf-heartedly though as he's still a blue)
As a fellow american from the south, I wish him the best every time he's keeping for the Blues. Would never boo him.
As a fellow american from the south, I wish him the worst every time he's keeping for la rota. Will always boo him (healf-heartedly though as he's still a blue)