General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%

  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%

  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%

  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%
  • Total voters
    656
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KenTheLandlord said:
It would need by-election as when they are found guilty, they will in time, be in jail. This then sees the tories lose their majority as things stand.
I think you mean June 2017 and will answer with that in mind. She is lying plain and simple. The rest is waffle from her, pure and simple.She has a mandate to continue, nobody has stopped the process for Brexit. There was a point of clarification required as she did understand the process and the judges gave her the clarification. There was still no opposition to the process of Brexit.
No it does not blow away the points made, they will remain. The reason she has done is because she knows a certain number (i think it is 40 although @30 seems to be suggested the most often) will be carted away and be spending time behind bars. She has to move now, this is thing thing that is large enough for her to u turn, again. Those carted will just confirm the corrupt party is corrupt. She has had a strong lead in the polls for a long time and ruled out a snap election. It is this fraud that is the thing that is sufficient for a change in heart. Now, if, she does get an increased number of seats and she is very confident she will, then she will have the extra seats and the majority to be perceived as to have soften the blow and get away with it.
No matter what happens, they will be known for being caught cheating. She is just hoping now she will have a larger majority to deal with fraudulent activities that broke the strict rules rather than doing nothing, with MP's jailed and just a 17 seat majority.
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I think that the difference between you and I on this topic is that I am 'taking on board' your POV on the 'fraud'. I do not see this as the only reason, and I might disagree with the outcome, but for the sake of this discussion I am accepting it.

I would have expected you to accept also that there are other factors and then combined together you get this decision.

Even if you are 100% right on the 'fraud' issue (and I think that you are overstating to be honest) - it is not the only reason - AC is right also that an improved majority is also a factor - and there are others.

You are probably just a bit irritated/frustrated that she has done what she has done and at a stroke pulled the rug from under so many left/remain positions.

All the 'support' was Westminster false bollocks - Labour supported the A50 vote as part of their charade to get the wrecker amendment through when it cam back from the Lords.

Anyway - I can understand the left/Remain frustrations. Last week there was a game to play and hopes to be able overturn things - a week later it has all run away from you.
 
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Damocles said:
It can carry a maximum penalty of one year in jail, or there could be fines.

Yeah I'm sure they'll hit all the Tories with the maximum penalty when a year before they fined Labour. And it wasn't just the Ed Stone, that only prompted the investigation - they found improper spending all over the place. Read the article.

You're reaching so hard with this "the Tories will all be banged up" stuff that I'm thinking of hiring you out at the docks to passing sailors.
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As it says then, one year in jail, behind bars, thanks for confirming.
You need to stop thinking.
 
mcfc1632 said:
I think that the difference between you and I on this topic is that I am 'taking on board' your POV on the 'fraud'. I do not see this as the only reason, and I might disagree with the outcome, but for the sake of this discussion I am accepting it.

I would have expected you to accept also that there are other factors and then combined together you get this decision.

Even if you are 100% right on the 'fraud' issue (and I think that you are overstating to be honest) - it is not the only reason - AC is right also that an improved majority is also a factor - and there are others.

You are probably just a bit irritated/frustrated that she has done what she has done and at a stroke pulled the rug from under so many left/remain positions.

All the 'support' was Westminster false bollocks - Labour supported the A50 vote as part of their charade to get the wrecker amendment through when it cam back from the Lords.

Anyway - I can understand the left/Remain frustrations. Last week there was a game to play and hopes to be able overturn things - a week later it has all run away from you.
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Fraud is what it is referred to, no overstating here.
No irritation at all, happy for the election to come round.
 
SWP's back said:
I use HMRCs definition so I'd suggest mine is the definition in common usage.

It's certainly not gifted as you suggest.



Less-taxed? What you on about? I'd already stated "so long as they pay the tax due".

You're just an old commie fella. Communism didn't work and I highly doubt it's making a come back in your lifetime.

It's their and their business alone how they spend their earned and taxed income no matter how unfair you believe it to be.
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Damocles said:
Hold on a minute, you can't do that!

Alright mate. I've seen factual evidence that you're a nonce.

Wait what? I'm not a nonce!

Yeah well we obviously have different definitions of "nonce". Mine means "nice guy".

You can't just redefine words whenever you want to mean something else in order to suit an argument point. It's an outrageous flaberation.
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Well if we're getting away from economics and onto English and etymology at least I'm not inventing words. One definition for "earn" is "gain deservedly in return for one's behaviour or achievements" and the idea that putting in capital should receive greater reward than labour is why "earn" means more than just getting money and has an element of what's deserved. I think you're against helping the undeserving poor. I'm against the undeserving rich.
 
Jezza has announced all patron saints day will become bank holidays, nationwide, in addition to existing BH not replacing any so 4 extra days off per year.


So come on, a good thing, many have been saying it should happen for years, will promote celebration of our patrons and national identity
or
not practical, will kill business, people will lose holidays

I expect him to get slagged off for this in equal measure to any praise
 
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Vic said:
Well if we're getting away from economics and onto English and etymology at least I'm not inventing words. One definition for "earn" is "gain deservedly in return for one's behaviour or achievements" and the idea that putting in capital should receive greater reward than labour is why "earn" means more than just getting money and has an element of what's deserved. I think you're against helping the undeserving poor. I'm against the undeserving rich.
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I've worked under five CEOs in my life. None of them put capital into the businesses. You automatically think that a CEO's income is undeserved. That's as bad as believing anyone in welfare is work shy.
 
urban genie said:
Jezza has announced all patron saints day will become bank holidays, nationwide, in addition to existing BH not replacing any so 4 extra days off per year.


So come on, a good thing, many have been saying it should happen for years, will promote celebration of our patrons and national identity
or
not practical, will kill business, people will lose holidays

I expect him to get slagged off for this in equal measure to any praise
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It's only living outside the UK and thus getting none that one realises how many fucking bank holidays you slackers have already anyway.
 
SWP's back said:
It's only living outside the UK and thus getting none that one realises how many fucking bank holidays you slackers have already anyway.
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A couple of more won't do any harm as long as small business effected are supported and theae are not taken off existing holiday entitlements.
 
SWP's back said:
I've worked under five CEOs in my life. None of them put capital into the businesses. You automatically think that a CEO's income is undeserved. That's as bad as believing anyone in welfare is work shy.
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If it's not straw men it's non-sequiturs. OK it's not just excessive returns on capital that bothers me, it's any executive pay disparity. I agree with Theresa May but I doubt she'd actually do anything about it.

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/news/average-ftse-100-ceo-pay-soars-to-5-5m/a938950
 
urban genie said:
Jezza has announced all patron saints day will become bank holidays, nationwide, in addition to existing BH not replacing any so 4 extra days off per year.


So come on, a good thing, many have been saying it should happen for years, will promote celebration of our patrons and national identity
or
not practical, will kill business, people will lose holidays

I expect him to get slagged off for this in equal measure to any praise
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How much does that add to public expenditure £1-2b?
 
urban genie said:
Jezza has announced all patron saints day will become bank holidays, nationwide, in addition to existing BH not replacing any so 4 extra days off per year.


So come on, a good thing, many have been saying it should happen for years, will promote celebration of our patrons and national identity
or
not practical, will kill business, people will lose holidays

I expect him to get slagged off for this in equal measure to any praise
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That's the election win in the bag, how could anyone vote anything but Labour after this?
Ignore Brexit and the Middle East, an extra days holiday is where this election will be won.
Hurray for Labour and it's 'Day on the Piss' manifesto.
 
Vic said:
If it's not straw men it's non-sequiturs. OK it's not just excessive returns on capital that bothers me, it's any executive pay disparity. I agree with Theresa May but I doubt she'd actually do anything about it.

http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/news/average-ftse-100-ceo-pay-soars-to-5-5m/a938950
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You understand that there are tens of thousand of CEOs in the UK and referencing the top 100 only is like believing that anyone playing professional football is on £350,000 per week.

Either way, this little off shoot of the conversation started when you asserted that people are "given" amounts of money, which I disagreed with. I would certainly say however that a CEO of a company employing 100,000 people earns their £5m more so than a squad player at a top club, but I can't recall seeing you go after them. Is this just because you appreciate the spectacle of football but can't empathise with the running of a large MNC?
 
urban genie said:
A couple of more won't do any harm as long as small business effected are supported and theae are not taken off existing holiday entitlements.
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That's the votes of the near 5 million self employed lost. Not very well thought out that one. 3 working days lost next March. 2 in April and 1 at the beginning of May.
6 days in 9 weeks penniless.
 
urban genie said:
Jezza has announced all patron saints day will become bank holidays, nationwide, in addition to existing BH not replacing any so 4 extra days off per year.


So come on, a good thing, many have been saying it should happen for years, will promote celebration of our patrons and national identity
or
not practical, will kill business, people will lose holidays

I expect him to get slagged off for this in equal measure to any praise
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Good move, long overdue.

The ignoring of English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish culture has gone on for too long and if we set aside one day a year to remember them then that can only be a good thing.
 
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