Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

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bondsman said:
Big blue bill? You look like an idiot? Scary stuff. I don't think it's only me to be fair mate. Name a save that Claudio bravo has made that kept us in a game. When has he rescued 3 pts for us?
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When are you going to answer the original question. Why do you think your opinion about our keeper is better than Pep's? 4th time asking.
 
bondsman said:
Your faith is admirable I will give you that. He will be a year old and slower though so how he will become a better shot stopper I don't know. Biggest difference between us and the other top 4/5 clubs bar Liverpool is they all have a top keeper who has won them games.
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He won't need to be a better shot stopper next season. He will just have to be Claudio Bravo. That is more than enough to win multiple titles assuming the 10 players in front of him do what they are supposed to.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
Top teams have a keeper who can win points for their teams on his own.
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Well they do lol; Bayern have neur, Barca have ter stegen who is getting better season on season, Juve have Buffon, Chelsea have courtious; I could go on and on.
The rags would be nowhere near the top 4 if they didn't have de gea. Like the fullback situation it's important that the keeper situation is properly addressed and not left to stagnate a year
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
Well they do lol; Bayern have neur, Barca have ter stegen who is getting better season on season, Juve have Buffon, Chelsea have courtious; I could go on and on.
The rags would be nowhere near the top 4 if they didn't have de gea. Like the fullback situation it's important that the keeper situation is properly addressed and not left to stagnate a year
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Good lord can you read? Like I said...see Pep's Barcelona or Zidane's Real. Neither team had/has a top keeper as judged by what a keeper is by the majority of the board.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
Good lord can you read? Like I said...see Pep's Barcelona or Zidane's Real. Neither team had/has a top keeper as judged by what a keeper is by the majority of the board.
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You don't think valdes was class? Keylor Navas is at the least a very good keeper and are both miles better than bravo, who isn't even performing to a level where most teams in the top half would want him; especially considering he has one of the worst shots to goals conceded ratio in the entire league
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
You don't think valdes was class? Keylor Navas is at the least a very good keeper and are both miles better than bravo, who isn't even performing to a level where most teams in the top half would want him; especially considering he has one of the worst shots to goals conceded ratio in the entire league
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I think Valdes is just as good as Bravo. Both look WC behind a proper Pep team.

I can't think of a single team in the Premier League that would want Bravo. His considerable skills (the reason we bought him) would be wasted on every other team in the league...just like they were wasted in this particular City team.
 
BlueDeadHead said:
I think Valdes is just as good as Bravo. Both look WC behind a proper Pep team.

I can't think of a single team in the Premier League that would want Bravo. His considerable skills (the reason we bought him) would be wasted on every other team in the league...just like they were wasted in this particular City team.
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This comment blew my flipping mind, we know he can play out from the back! He's one of the best in the league at it and he's shown it, but when you're conceding 50% of shots at you it's a moot point

"just like they were wasted in this particular City team"
This part makes me think you are just on the wum
 
aguerrrroooooooooooo said:
This comment blew my flipping mind, we know he can play out from the back! He's one of the best in the league at it and he's shown it, but when you're conceding 50% of shots at you it's a moot point

"just like they were wasted in this particular City team"
This part makes me think you are just on the wum
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We don't have the defense or midfield to play it out of the back. Because of that Bravo's best trait is being wasted.

Also I agree that when your team is conceding 50% of the shots at your goal your keepers ability to play out of the back is lessened (not moot). But that actually supports my point that this year Bravo's skills with his feet have been wasted.

So, what part of that sounds like wumming?
 
BlueDeadHead said:
When are you going to answer the original question. Why do you think your opinion about our keeper is better than Pep's? 4th time asking.
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Opinions are opinions, he is the manager so he can pick who he wants obviously. That won't stop people, myself included having opinions. Do you not have any of your own? It is my opinion, it's not a matter of better or worse, it is just my opinion that Bravo is shit. His stats in a city shirt say he is shit. You are now suggesting he is not shit but everyone else in front of him is and it is their fault he looks shit and hasn't saved anything all year? Now that is a bold opinion. Why is that better than mine or anyone else's? You say our midfield isn't good enough? Yaya, silva and kdb are 3 of the best passers in the league. You are now suggesting that Bravo would look a good keeper behind better players. Of course he would look better but he wouldn't be better himself! I'd look better playing next to kompany than I do playing next to my mate on a Saturday, but that would have nothing to do with me. How much did you honestly watch of Bravo before he played for city? My guess is not much if you tell the truth. So all you can base opinions on is what he has done for city and truth be told that's all that matters anyway. What he used to do for someone else is redundant. So based on his performances for city he has been shit. We bought him to improve us. If we need to buy a whole new team/back four to improve him then ffs that's backwards. Now bore off with your stupid repetition about the value of opinions on a fucking forum designed to let people express them.
 
Btw- don't know if it's been mentioned but wasn't it his shank out of play that lead to their possession for the equaliser?
 
mosssideblue said:
You may have to clarify what your saying there mate. I've read it three times and am still struggling with it.
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You simply reread former comments I made about Bravo and what Pep wants from him and the players. Fasten your seatbelt, Pep said. But 90% on here don't have a clue what he ment by that.
 
bondsman said:
Opinions are opinions, he is the manager so he can pick who he wants obviously. That won't stop people, myself included having opinions. Do you not have any of your own? It is my opinion, it's not a matter of better or worse, it is just my opinion that Bravo is shit. His stats in a city shirt say he is shit. You are now suggesting he is not shit but everyone else in front of him is and it is their fault he looks shit and hasn't saved anything all year? Now that is a bold opinion. Why is that better than mine or anyone else's? You say our midfield isn't good enough? Yaya, silva and kdb are 3 of the best passers in the league. You are now suggesting that Bravo would look a good keeper behind better players. Of course he would look better but he wouldn't be better himself! I'd look better playing next to kompany than I do playing next to my mate on a Saturday, but that would have nothing to do with me. How much did you honestly watch of Bravo before he played for city? My guess is not much if you tell the truth. So all you can base opinions on is what he has done for city and truth be told that's all that matters anyway. What he used to do for someone else is redundant. So based on his performances for city he has been shit. We bought him to improve us. If we need to buy a whole new team/back four to improve him then ffs that's backwards. Now bore off with your stupid repetition about the value of opinions on a fucking forum designed to let people express them.
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Bang on the money.
 
bellsouth said:
Btw- don't know if it's been mentioned but wasn't it his shank out of play that lead to their possession for the equaliser?
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Yes, but at the time both me and a mate criticised Otamendi's decision to pass it back and put Bravo under unnecessary pressure when he had other options. It depends how far back you want to take this kind of thing, for me we were poor defensively from the moment Oxlade-Chamberlain got possession :-

Sane decided to stop tracking back when he could have easily pressed Ox.
Clichy and Yaya failed to get a block on the cross.
Dinho didn't track Ramsey's run to the far post, causing the overload on Navas.

All of those points also contributed to the goal in some degree.
 
lancs blue said:
Yes, but at the time both me and a mate criticised Otamendi's decision to pass it back and put Bravo under unnecessary pressure when he had other options. It depends how far back you want to take this kind of thing, for me we were poor defensively from the moment Oxlade-Chamberlain got possession :-

Sane decided to stop tracking back when he could have easily pressed Ox.
Clichy and Yaya failed to get a block on the cross.
Dinho didn't track Ramsey's run to the far post, causing the overload on Navas.

All of those points also contributed to the goal in some degree.
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I totally agree, wasn't actually trying to blame him for the goal just that it was a surprise to see him mis hit it.

Apart from the space Ox had to cross (and it was a good cross) the most striking thing about that goal is that they had equal numbers arriving in the box to our defenders. It's one of my bug bears that we never get that many runners into opposition areas when we have good crossing opportunities.
 
bellsouth said:
I totally agree, wasn't actually trying to blame him for the goal just that it was a surprise to see him mis hit it.

Apart from the space Ox had to cross (and it was a good cross) the most striking thing about that goal is that they had equal numbers arriving in the box to our defenders. It's one of my bug bears that we never get that many runners into opposition areas when we have good crossing opportunities.
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It's one of mine too, Navas put in a peach of a cross at one point but there was only Aguero and 5 defenders in the box.
 
karen7 said:
I really think more should watch a lot of other prem games,i watch every one on the box that don't clash with ours and it's real easy to see what other keepers are saving and how sharp a lot of their reflexes are and saving things bravo can only dream about,come back and make an honest assessment of his keeping skills then
(not aimed at you)
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But it doesn't matter what keepers do elsewhere, only what they do in a City shirt or at least that's the impression I've been left with from this thread before
 
Cant wait to see the back of him. Would be nice for once after a game to say. Wow our keeper kept us in it or better still won it for us.never happen with this guy. Watched lots of el classico reruns last week and guess what never made a save in Them either. If pep keeps him expect no better from him next season
 
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