General Election June 8th

[SWP's back]

left and right both claims the BBC is bias against there political leanings, that's proof enough to me that its pretty impartial

Has bias or is biased.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Has bias or is biased.

Not 'Has' bias

 

[SWP's back]

Obfuscation and "whataboutery" are not confined to Labour mate, the Tories are the masters of it as you well know.

There's a bit of whataboutery in action.

:-)

 

[SWP's back]

Not 'Has' bias

Yes.

Has bias, shows bias, is biased.

Did you never conjugate a verb?

"The BBC are biased towards so and so.."

"The BBC is bias towards..." is wrong.

You're digging your own grave here sunshine and I'm only educating you.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The workhouse, the poor law, the treadmill. Are they still in full vigour Ancient?

No, they are defunct, pretty much like your party ;)

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Give away a bargaining chip before the negotiations start. State that you want everything that being part of EU has while admitting you are going to leave. Openly state that you will keep going back to the EU cap in hand if you dont get a deal you want rather than you are prepared to walk away if the deal doesnt suit. Its blatantly obvious that Kier Starmer despite being a QC has absolutely no relevant experience in negotiating absolutely anything meaningful at all! Lol

 

[SWP's back]

Give away a bargaining chip before the negotiations start. State that you want everything that being part of EU has while admitting you are going to leave. Openly state that you will keep going back to the EU cap in hand if you dont get a deal you want rather than you are prepared to walk away if the deal doesnt suit. Its blatantly obvious that Kier Starmer despite being a QC has absolutely no relevant experience in negotiating absolutely anything meaningful at all! Lol

QC's aren't all that let alone run of the mill barristers ;-)

 

[SWP's back]

Only another referendum on the ( broad) terms of exit would give her a mandate

You can't mean that in the slightest.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

One of the issues, is for those that are IN work and do NOT have their rent paid. Low paid job, having to pay rent as well as getting to work and back again etc is a drain

Maybe temporarily, but tell me what a low paid worker, on minimum wage would earn, in his hand, after
a 45 hour week? I ask because I've done it, I've been amongst others that have done it, and by no means are you in need of
food banks, unless, as I qualified before, it is for a very short period. Don't get me wrong, foodbanks are welcome,
they serve a useful purpose and I admire their workers and contributors, but nobody in full time work needs to 'Rely' on them, that's
ridiculous.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

left and right both claims the BBC is bias against there political leanings, that's proof enough to me that its pretty impartial

Over 70% of the journalists come from the Guardian and Observer newspapers. Thats proof enough for me that they have significant and pretty obvious left wing bias with a strong remoaning agenda. This was and is still being shown by their coverage of the EU referendum and its outcome.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

QC's aren't all that let alone run of the mill barristers ;-)

Well he is obviously a clever chap in his field but clearly not experienced in negotiating anything beyond buying Old Kent Road off one of his kids while playing monopoly.

 

[Damocles]

I think the BBC is the best news source on the planet and does extremely well at remaining as unbiased as possible.

 

[SWP's back]

I think the BBC is the best news source on the planet and does extremely well at remaining as unbiased as possible.

I'd agree that although it's left leaning it shows as little bias as possible given the fact it employs humans.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Maybe temporarily, but tell me what a low paid worker, on minimum wage would earn, in his hand, after
a 45 hour week? I ask because I've done it, I've been amongst others that have done it, and by no means are you in need of
food banks, unless, as I qualified before, it is for a very short period. Don't get me wrong, foodbanks are welcome,
they serve a useful purpose and I admire their workers and contributors, but nobody in full time work needs to 'Rely' on them, that's
ridiculous.

I don't know the answer but I suppose it also depends on your definition of 'rely'. Rely, doesn't necessarily mean every day, maybe they rely on them at the end of every week/fortnight/month?

Like I said, I don't know. I just wanted to point out that, in some respects, those in work can often be worse off than those out of work.

 

[Len Rum]

You can't mean that in the slightest.

I mean it totally mate.
A vote in a general election will be based on lots of criteria - the many policies in the manifesto, the record of the government and opposition, the personalities of the leaders etc etc.
In other words it cannot be a mandate for a single issue such as the Government's position on Brexit.

 

[SWP's back]

I mean it totally mate.
A vote in a general election will be based on lots of criteria - the many policies in the manifesto, the record of the government and opposition, the personalities of the leaders etc etc.
In other words it cannot be a mandate for a single issue such as the Government's position on Brexit.

Of course it's a mandate.

There's not a person alive that truly believes there'd be a referendum on how hard the Brexit should be.

The UK isn't Switzerland.

 

[Len Rum]

Of course it's a mandate.

There's not a person alive that truly believes there'd be a referendum on how hard the Brexit should be.

The UK isn't Switzerland.

"The Government has set out it's proposals as to how the UK should exit the European Union.

Do you agree with the the Government's proposals?

Tick one of the boxes to indicate your preference.

I agree with the Government's proposals as to how the UK should exit the EU [ ]

I disagree with the Government's proposals as to how the UK should exit the EU [ ]"

Simples.

 

[Helmet Cole]

"The Government has set out it's proposals as to how the UK should exit the European Union.

Do you agree with the the Government's proposals?

Tick one of the boxes to indicate your preference.

I agree with the Government's proposals as to how the UK should exit the EU [ ]

I disagree with the Government's proposals as to how the UK should exit the EU [ ]"

Simples.

The problem with this is it would never end. Revised exit plan would need another referendum, and by then I'm sure we would have a new govt, which would therefore have no mandate and require another referendum ect, ect, ect...
Something tells me though that the folk after endless referenda and votes in Parliament might be happy to leave it at just the one vote if it went the remain way ;-)

 

[Corky]

Manchester is not a deprived northern city.

Any balanced, rational, objective analysis of Manchester's current situation would have to conclude that the city is thriving.

Doesn't Manchester have a huge amount of inward investment anyway? Look at all the cranes. That should tell Corky something.

IMD 2015 Manchester is 1st most deprived out of 326 using the rank of average rank, 5th most deprived out of 326 using rank of average score (most commonly used as main rank)- therefore pretty bleak according government figures.

The City centre may be busy and expensive, but the population are not benefiting:

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/english-indices-of-deprivation-2015

File 10 has the Local Authority summaries.

Blackpool is worse in the latter measure, followed by Knowsley, Hull, Liverpool then Manchester - previously it was mainly London boroughs at the top last decade, now it all top five are northern.

Obviously I don't know what I am talking about....

 

[Metal Biker]

I mean it totally mate.
A vote in a general election will be based on lots of criteria - the many policies in the manifesto, the record of the government and opposition, the personalities of the leaders etc etc.
In other words it cannot be a mandate for a single issue such as the Government's position on Brexit.

The Voting Public is being asked to vote which party they trust to deliver on the biggest talking point in British poltics to date; the Brexit negotiations.

If the Conservatives win, regardless of a narrow margin or a majority, it means the voting public has chosen them to deliver on the terms of their Brexit negotiation terms, i.e. a "hard" brexit. If Labour wins it means the majority of the public backs their "softer" Brexit approach. It absolutely means that the winning party will be given a public mandate tp proceed as they have suggested publicly.

What do you want, for every single British citizen to write a letter to Parliament and give their "wishlist" as to what kind of Brexit they want? It is the very definition of "clutching at straws" to suggest that the party that is voted to form a Government is NOT the one which becomes the one that calls the shots regarding the terms of Britain's exit from the EU. You can bring up many other policies that you want but this is a 'snap' election' one determined by the publics attitudes towards the terms of our exit from the EU.

This is not the time to start addressing the same tired old mantras of NHS, benefits, social inequality BS that has become the mainstay of Labour as of late. And I say this as a long term Labour voter who has ZERO confidence in Corbyn OR the Blairite segment that has infested the Labour Party. Attitudes like yours do nothing to help address the problems surrounding the Labour Party, let alone those affecting the UK on the whole in retaining the long abanonded 'typical' Labour vote that has abandoned the party and allowed the Cosnervatives to rule unapposed. The result of this SNAP election will absolutely be seen by many in the UK as being a mandate on the terms of our exit from the UK. The NHS issues, migration, economic and social inequality are, unfortunately, playing second fiddle to a much more important and relevant debate as per the reason why this snap election was called in the first place.

And so far, something i'd never have thought possible in previous years, 'this' long time Labour voter is considering voting Conservative.