I'm not sure what you're trying to say. I agree with your figures, and no, I don't suppose they'd stash it anywhere.That would leave someone who worked 40 hours per week and extra £5200 better off per year pre tax, so let's say £3500-4000 post tax and NI. Do you think they stash that money under the mattress to save for a rainy day?
It was not my intention to extrapolate anything, I'm simply pointing out that this kind of increase would lead to33.333333r% I'll be generous and assume you knew that and were being sarky rather than mathematically challenged. But extrapolating a couple of posts on bluemoon into Project Fear (same as with minimum wage in the first place) is simply ridiculous.
At least you can't accuse May of lying. She's pro Brexit, pro remain, against the nasty party, for slashing benefits, pro tax cuts, wants NI rises, pro paying for social care, against paying for social care. A politician who flip-flops more than this woman I have not seen..
It would also lead to the rest of us not supporting tax credits currently being paid to those on minimum wage.It was not my intention to extrapolate anything, I'm simply pointing out that this kind of increase would lead to
less job creation, one poster on here has proved it to be the case, there are thousands like him.
If you choose to believe that there are not, and every business consists of all small businesses making fortunes
and are just being grasping capitalists, then fair enough.
Why not fully embrace this socialist fairy land and pay people £20 an hour, or really go for it at £40? Then folk would be soThat is a very one sided view of things, which is understandable considering your position. I have no idea what your business is, but would it not benefit from the extra cash that millions of people would have?
Not meWho says Corbyn isn't lying to the public just to get elected?
Simplified version, state control over industry instead of private ownership, State provided welfare (ie healthcare, housing, support) over private.
- The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Maybe, but it would also lead to the rest of us supporting far more unemployed, with considerably higher benefits than tax credits, becauseIt would also lead to the rest of us not supporting tax credits currently being paid to those on minimum wage.
And yet he won again. Just for information but, 153 Labour MPs did not vote for that war, compared to 19 Conservatives. 58% of the country were in favour, although 90% now say they weren't!
- Just been sent this. Brilliantly put!
Back
- I can't take credit for this.... but I honestly couldn't have put it better myself -
"Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So The media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Good... it's long overdue."
And an opposition who were entirely compliant.Yes but to be fair he won by capturing a large proportion of the "soft" Tory vote who were disillusioned with a PCP that was falling to pieces around Major then won again as they continued to be a joke - he saw what was coming economically and knew the country were against him over the War on Terror and baled leaving that soft twat Brown to carry the can.
In ref to the war two million - yes two million - people are said to have marched against it in London. I knew no-one who at the time in favour over allowing Hans Blix time to complete his mission - even relatives serving in the armed forces. That 58% will be from opinion polls - we all know how reliable they have proven to be - and also favouring a government who knew how to sex up documentation in their favour.
Why not fully embrace this socialist fairy land and pay people £20 an hour, or really go for it at £40? Then folk would be so
awash with cash, his business would be in overdrive and Cheesy will be toasting his toes in the Cayman islands, with a supermodel
on each arm.
And an opposition who were entirely compliant.
- Just been sent this. Brilliantly put!
Back
- I can't take credit for this.... but I honestly couldn't have put it better myself -
"Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
"bloody bankers and their bonuses"
"bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
"bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
“bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
"bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
“it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
So The media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
“she's strong and stable”
“he's a clown”
“he's not a leader”
“look he can't even control his own party”
“he'll ruin the economy”
“how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
“AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
“he's a clown”
“he’s a threat to the country”
“she's strong and stable”
“he'll take us back to the 70s”
And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
You think the barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
Good... it's long overdue."
I think these might have been the exact same arguments used when it was brought in, they were also used whenever it was raised. And yet, I'm constantly being told we have the highest levels of employment we've ever had. It's a puzzle alright.Maybe, but it would also lead to the rest of us supporting far more unemployed, with considerably higher benefits than tax credits, because
businesses would employ far fewer.