General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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  • Just been sent this. Brilliantly put!
  • I can't take credit for this.... but I honestly couldn't have put it better myself -

    "Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
    All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
    "bloody bankers and their bonuses"
    "bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
    "bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
    “bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
    "bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
    “it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
    And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
    But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
    The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
    So The media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he's a clown”
    “he's not a leader”
    “look he can't even control his own party”
    “he'll ruin the economy”
    “how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
    “AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
    And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
    We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
    “he's a clown”
    “he’s a threat to the country”
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he'll take us back to the 70s”
    And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
    And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
    You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
    You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
    You think the barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
    You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
    You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
    You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
    You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
    And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
    Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
    He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
    His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
    And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
    The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
    Good... it's long overdue."
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This is a brilliant political post.

As with every single thing in my life, I can relate this back to how professional wrestling works because I'm a childish saddo. Anyway, in wrestling many people wonder how they can generate so much emotion from a crowd who are watching a very obviously pre-determined and fake event that looks a bit silly. This is because of a psychological effect known as "the suspension of disbelief" - it's how films work too, they get you to "tune out" your brain and just become invested in the narrative that they're selling you and in return you get to feel an emotion. To achieve this suspension of disbelief in a live action event such as wrestling is very often difficult but it's a billion dollar 200 year old industry so they've picked up some tricks along the way. The best one is the idea of 5 truths. This refers to a storytelling technique where one of the wrestlers tells you 5 different things. The first three of those things are things that you intimately known to be true as they're self evident. The fourth one is something that you WANT to be true but is probably not. The fifth is something that is a very obvious lie. However it's called the 5 truths because people will suspend their disbelief after hearing the first three to accept the fourth and will accept the fifth dishonest thing because you've already told them four things they know or think to be a self evident truth.

Let me demonstrate the technique:

Man United were the first football club to float themselves on the stock market. This gave them a much larger revenue than everybody else which led to their dominance on the pitch. When Man City were taken over, this challenged that dominance and they wrote to the FA in order to to get City looked into. In reality they were scared of City and could see how it would challenge their dominance on and off the pitch, leading them to try and use their political clout to stop the City train. At this time, David Gill was appointed to senior positions in UEFA and the European Club Association and put in charge of the FFP ethics which he found City guilty of and handed them the largest fine in the history of football - a direct assault on his former club's main rivals.

Easy huh? The first three sentences are absolutely, undeniably true. The fourth is something that sounds like it might be true but the reader will accept it because they WANT it to be true. The last is bollocks but I've already told you 4 true sentences in the narrative so as long as I can connect it to the 5th then you'll accept that. If I started with the sentence that David Gill was appointed to UEFA not because of Platini politiking but because this multinational organisation "hated City", you'd think I was a small minded lunatic. But you got sucked into the emotion of the paragraph and invested into it in order to feel the emotion that was paid out - probably a form of righteousness.

The above does this too. It starts with things you know to be true - "bloody bankers" and that sort of stuff. It tells you that Corbyn is disliked by the Tories and some Labour. Then (too early by the way, it needed an extra sentence before this or not be so forthright conspiratorial), it starts talking about Murdoch's influence. Though the tone jumped the gun, those are 3 things that we all pretty much know to be true. People DID blame bankers, Corbyn IS disliked by some MPs and Murdoch DOES have influence in the press.

Then it jumps to the "truth that's not true but people WANT to be true" thing when it talks about how people who don't like Corbyn are somehow less insightful than a Corbyn voter; a PR mouthpiece of the Establishment. A Guardian of the status quo. This confirms the revolutionary nature of the Corbyn fan which is a tag they fellates their ego and something they enjoy. It's not true of course, but being the only people awake in a world of the sleeping is a seductive image.

Then it jumps to the 5th "truth" which is just a mad lie/conspiracy nonsense. Here they try to link a bunch of billionaires into a grand anti-Corbyn Establishment conspiracy, they attempt to project a Christ-like mythology onto Corbyn (he doesn't lie, no ambitions, man of the people, feeds the poor, etc), and ends with a statement about the joining of society.

It's selling emotion - that of revolution, of compassion and a Wolfie Smith like smash the state liberation of morals and in our society that glorifies the heroic revolutionaries in sport, science, engineering and indeed politics, who doesn't want to be part of that? As a firm leftie myself I see people driven by these emotions all the time in meetings, they want to feel like they're making a great and historic change to the world - it's actually our biggest logical and logistical error, it's more useful and better for us to make thousands of tiny changes making the world better than one big one but everybody loves the Hero's Journey roundabout.

Unfortunately when you start examining the claims involved you can see it for what it is - a nicely put together speech relying on rhetorical tricks and cliched slogans to attempt to revolutionise a people who are crying out for some sort of real political revolution. The problem as ever that just because you're desperate to get the train home to Manchester doesn't mean you're going to jump on the first train at Euston that you see and hope it goes there. People want a political revolution in the form that they want, not just any old revolution.
 
Dear me, i have no need to look clever, but educating you will help you in future, you're welcome.

He is not the only one who is uneasy with the foreign policy. Many people have come forward from those related areas of intel and policy making and said that they believe there is a link with what we do there has repercussions here.

I know your lot still haven't moved on from the 1970's, oh christ really lol.

I guess this fella has no idea and you are clearly in the driving seat with the up-to-date info you have.


He said this 2 YEARS ago, her answer.


She did not listen and now people are dead. Well done Theresa you stupid fucker.
Any person with a shred of dignity would have stepped down, not looked for re-election.


You're not educating me, just boring me with your usual biased shite.

You have zero evidence that more community officers on foot would have stopped last Monday's attack. None.

Amber Rudd said on Question Time that the battlefield has moved to the internet now and spotting trends there. It's around technology.

Every single time there's been an attack abroad I hear people of all political persuasions say we've got the best intelligence services around, yet as soon as there's an attack that gets through it's let's blame the government from the opposition.

I'm actually against police cuts for general reasons of crime by the way, however to pin last Monday on the same people that have stopped 5 other major attacks in the last 10 weeks is political point scoring.

I've got two mates that are working at GMP, one being fairly senior and they've got differing opinions to that guy you've posted, when it comes to terror. They agree in terms of general crime on the street but it's incredibly difficult to find someone with a home made bomb in an area spanning 2.5 million people.

You've mentioned foreign policy again but it's down to Labour mostly.

Anyway you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to get through your bitter bias. I really don't want to waste my life talking to someone who's too far gone the other way.
 
From victoria derbyshire live before, the tory almost let slip his contempt with the near eye roll and sigh at the second womans comments





That guy is Dominic Raab - proper " Tory Boy" and a quite despicable human being would be my judgement based upon what he has said in the interviews I have seen over the years - James Wharton is a similar type
 
This is a brilliant political post.

As with every single thing in my life, I can relate this back to how professional wrestling works because I'm a childish saddo. Anyway, in wrestling many people wonder how they can generate so much emotion from a crowd who are watching a very obviously pre-determined and fake event that looks a bit silly. This is because of a psychological effect known as "the suspension of disbelief" - it's how films work too, they get you to "tune out" your brain and just become invested in the narrative that they're selling you and in return you get to feel an emotion. To achieve this suspension of disbelief in a live action event such as wrestling is very often difficult but it's a billion dollar 200 year old industry so they've picked up some tricks along the way. The best one is the idea of 5 truths. This refers to a storytelling technique where one of the wrestlers tells you 5 different things. The first three of those things are things that you intimately known to be true as they're self evident. The fourth one is something that you WANT to be true but is probably not. The fifth is something that is a very obvious lie. However it's called the 5 truths because people will suspend their disbelief after hearing the first three to accept the fourth and will accept the fifth dishonest thing because you've already told them four things they know or think to be a self evident truth.

Let me demonstrate the technique:

Man United were the first football club to float themselves on the stock market. This gave them a much larger revenue than everybody else which led to their dominance on the pitch. When Man City were taken over, this challenged that dominance and they wrote to the FA in order to to get City looked into. In reality they were scared of City and could see how it would challenge their dominance on and off the pitch, leading them to try and use their political clout to stop the City train. At this time, David Gill was appointed to senior positions in UEFA and the European Club Association and put in charge of the FFP ethics which he found City guilty of and handed them the largest fine in the history of football - a direct assault on his former club's main rivals.

Easy huh? The first three sentences are absolutely, undeniably true. The fourth is something that sounds like it might be true but the reader will accept it because they WANT it to be true. The last is bollocks but I've already told you 4 true sentences in the narrative so as long as I can connect it to the 5th then you'll accept that. If I started with the sentence that David Gill was appointed to UEFA not because of Platini politiking but because this multinational organisation "hated City", you'd think I was a small minded lunatic. But you got sucked into the emotion of the paragraph and invested into it in order to feel the emotion that was paid out - probably a form of righteousness.

The above does this too. It starts with things you know to be true - "bloody bankers" and that sort of stuff. It tells you that Corbyn is disliked by the Tories and some Labour. Then (too early by the way, it needed an extra sentence before this or not be so forthright conspiratorial), it starts talking about Murdoch's influence. Though the tone jumped the gun, those are 3 things that we all pretty much know to be true. People DID blame bankers, Corbyn IS disliked by some MPs and Murdoch DOES have influence in the press.

Then it jumps to the "truth that's not true but people WANT to be true" thing when it talks about how people who don't like Corbyn are somehow less insightful than a Corbyn voter; a PR mouthpiece of the Establishment. A Guardian of the status quo. This confirms the revolutionary nature of the Corbyn fan which is a tag they fellates their ego and something they enjoy. It's not true of course, but being the only people awake in a world of the sleeping is a seductive image.

Then it jumps to the 5th "truth" which is just a mad lie/conspiracy nonsense. Here they try to link a bunch of billionaires into a grand anti-Corbyn Establishment conspiracy, they attempt to project a Christ-like mythology onto Corbyn (he doesn't lie, no ambitions, man of the people, feeds the poor, etc), and ends with a statement about the joining of society.

It's selling emotion - that of revolution, of compassion and a Wolfie Smith like smash the state liberation of morals and in our society that glorifies the heroic revolutionaries in sport, science, engineering and indeed politics, who doesn't want to be part of that? As a firm leftie myself I see people driven by these emotions all the time in meetings, they want to feel like they're making a great and historic change to the world - it's actually our biggest logical and logistical error, it's more useful and better for us to make thousands of tiny changes making the world better than one big one but everybody loves the Hero's Journey roundabout.

Unfortunately when you start examining the claims involved you can see it for what it is - a nicely put together speech relying on rhetorical tricks and cliched slogans to attempt to revolutionise a people who are crying out for some sort of real political revolution. The problem as ever that just because you're desperate to get the train home to Manchester doesn't mean you're going to jump on the first train at Euston that you see and hope it goes there. People want a political revolution in the form that they want, not just any old revolution.

That's a great summary of the cult of Corbyn and how that cult came about. I agree with your point that people want change but they want safe change by people not so absolutely entrenched in rebellion riot and mayhem. There is no other opinion and there seems to be a lot of genuine hate that could change into a lot more if any power were given to them.
 
This is a brilliant political post.

As with every single thing in my life, I can relate this back to how professional wrestling works because I'm a childish saddo. Anyway, in wrestling many people wonder how they can generate so much emotion from a crowd who are watching a very obviously pre-determined and fake event that looks a bit silly. This is because of a psychological effect known as "the suspension of disbelief" - it's how films work too, they get you to "tune out" your brain and just become invested in the narrative that they're selling you and in return you get to feel an emotion. To achieve this suspension of disbelief in a live action event such as wrestling is very often difficult but it's a billion dollar 200 year old industry so they've picked up some tricks along the way. The best one is the idea of 5 truths. This refers to a storytelling technique where one of the wrestlers tells you 5 different things. The first three of those things are things that you intimately known to be true as they're self evident. The fourth one is something that you WANT to be true but is probably not. The fifth is something that is a very obvious lie. However it's called the 5 truths because people will suspend their disbelief after hearing the first three to accept the fourth and will accept the fifth dishonest thing because you've already told them four things they know or think to be a self evident truth.

Let me demonstrate the technique:

Man United were the first football club to float themselves on the stock market. This gave them a much larger revenue than everybody else which led to their dominance on the pitch. When Man City were taken over, this challenged that dominance and they wrote to the FA in order to to get City looked into. In reality they were scared of City and could see how it would challenge their dominance on and off the pitch, leading them to try and use their political clout to stop the City train. At this time, David Gill was appointed to senior positions in UEFA and the European Club Association and put in charge of the FFP ethics which he found City guilty of and handed them the largest fine in the history of football - a direct assault on his former club's main rivals.

Easy huh? The first three sentences are absolutely, undeniably true. The fourth is something that sounds like it might be true but the reader will accept it because they WANT it to be true. The last is bollocks but I've already told you 4 true sentences in the narrative so as long as I can connect it to the 5th then you'll accept that. If I started with the sentence that David Gill was appointed to UEFA not because of Platini politiking but because this multinational organisation "hated City", you'd think I was a small minded lunatic. But you got sucked into the emotion of the paragraph and invested into it in order to feel the emotion that was paid out - probably a form of righteousness.

The above does this too. It starts with things you know to be true - "bloody bankers" and that sort of stuff. It tells you that Corbyn is disliked by the Tories and some Labour. Then (too early by the way, it needed an extra sentence before this or not be so forthright conspiratorial), it starts talking about Murdoch's influence. Though the tone jumped the gun, those are 3 things that we all pretty much know to be true. People DID blame bankers, Corbyn IS disliked by some MPs and Murdoch DOES have influence in the press.

Then it jumps to the "truth that's not true but people WANT to be true" thing when it talks about how people who don't like Corbyn are somehow less insightful than a Corbyn voter; a PR mouthpiece of the Establishment. A Guardian of the status quo. This confirms the revolutionary nature of the Corbyn fan which is a tag they fellates their ego and something they enjoy. It's not true of course, but being the only people awake in a world of the sleeping is a seductive image.

Then it jumps to the 5th "truth" which is just a mad lie/conspiracy nonsense. Here they try to link a bunch of billionaires into a grand anti-Corbyn Establishment conspiracy, they attempt to project a Christ-like mythology onto Corbyn (he doesn't lie, no ambitions, man of the people, feeds the poor, etc), and ends with a statement about the joining of society.

It's selling emotion - that of revolution, of compassion and a Wolfie Smith like smash the state liberation of morals and in our society that glorifies the heroic revolutionaries in sport, science, engineering and indeed politics, who doesn't want to be part of that? As a firm leftie myself I see people driven by these emotions all the time in meetings, they want to feel like they're making a great and historic change to the world - it's actually our biggest logical and logistical error, it's more useful and better for us to make thousands of tiny changes making the world better than one big one but everybody loves the Hero's Journey roundabout.

Unfortunately when you start examining the claims involved you can see it for what it is - a nicely put together speech relying on rhetorical tricks and cliched slogans to attempt to revolutionise a people who are crying out for some sort of real political revolution. The problem as ever that just because you're desperate to get the train home to Manchester doesn't mean you're going to jump on the first train at Euston that you see and hope it goes there. People want a political revolution in the form that they want, not just any old revolution.


Good post, but bar social media cranks I am yet to meet a "corbynista amongst labour supporters I know, in fact I know a fair few who thinks he's a ****, but will be voting for their party still as labour is not one person.

I have stated enough times here myself jezza is not my prefered choice but a means to an end, to move the labour party back to it's place as a socialist opposition to the conservative and unionist party capitist ideology.

Most Labour members voted for him as a rejection of new labour, their is a cult of personality directed to him from some, but I am yet to meet one personally.

(though I have been at meetings where they have been present in very small numbers)
 
Why not fully embrace this socialist fairy land and pay people £20 an hour, or really go for it at £40? Then folk would be so
awash with cash, his business would be in overdrive and Cheesy will be toasting his toes in the Cayman islands, with a supermodel
on each arm.

No one bar you has said anything like that.

You're not educating me, just boring me with your usual biased shite.

You have zero evidence that more community officers on foot would have stopped last Monday's attack. None.

Amber Rudd said on Question Time that the battlefield has moved to the internet now and spotting trends there. It's around technology.

Every single time there's been an attack abroad I hear people of all political persuasions say we've got the best intelligence services around, yet as soon as there's an attack that gets through it's let's blame the government from the opposition.

I'm actually against police cuts for general reasons of crime by the way, however to pin last Monday on the same people that have stopped 5 other major attacks in the last 10 weeks is political point scoring.

I've got two mates that are working at GMP, one being fairly senior and they've got differing opinions to that guy you've posted, when it comes to terror. They agree in terms of general crime on the street but it's incredibly difficult to find someone with a home made bomb in an area spanning 2.5 million people.

You've mentioned foreign policy again but it's down to Labour mostly.

Anyway you're not going to convince me and I'm not going to get through your bitter bias. I really don't want to waste my life talking to someone who's too far gone the other way.

Amber Rudd? Christ you are on fire.

By the way, to remind you of who houses the real terrorists

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No one bar you has said anything like that.



Amber Rudd? Christ you are on fire.

By the way, to remind you of who houses the real terrorists

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We've been through this before.

Why are you regurgitating this again?

She should be no where near parliament in my opinion but I'm not a Tory fan boy so I can say that.
 
Our present pm has shown a remarkable ability in turning a huge lead in the opinion polls into practically a lead of zero , taking ineptitude to new levels , just one reason she needs kicking out .
 
  • Just been sent this. Brilliantly put!
  • I can't take credit for this.... but I honestly couldn't have put it better myself -

    "Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
    All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
    "bloody bankers and their bonuses"
    "bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
    "bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
    “bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
    "bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
    “it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
    And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
    But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
    The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
    So The media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he's a clown”
    “he's not a leader”
    “look he can't even control his own party”
    “he'll ruin the economy”
    “how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
    “AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
    And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
    We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
    “he's a clown”
    “he’s a threat to the country”
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he'll take us back to the 70s”
    And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
    And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
    You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
    You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
    You think the barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
    You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
    You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
    You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
    You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
    And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
    Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
    He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
    His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
    And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
    The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
    Good... it's long overdue."
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Bitter. Bitter and sad.

Sounds like the sort of bloke who would run a coin down the side of a Merc. I loathe people who have nothing more to do that moan about people being more successful and moan about how they want to take other peoples' money off them, to benefit themselves. Sad, bitter, twisted losers.
 
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  • Just been sent this. Brilliantly put!
  • I can't take credit for this.... but I honestly couldn't have put it better myself -

    "Here's what I'm really struggling to understand...
    All I've ever heard from people, for years, is
    "bloody bankers and their bonuses"
    "bloody rich and their offshore tax havens "
    "bloody politicians with their lying and second homes"
    “bloody corporations paying less tax than me”
    "bloody Establishment, they're all in it together”
    “it'll never change, there's no point in voting”
    And quite rightly so, I said all the same things.
    But then someone comes along that's different. He upsets the bankers and the rich.
    The Tory politicians hate him along with most of the labour politicians. The corporations throw more money at the politicians to keep him quiet. And the Establishment is visibly shaken. I've never seen the Establishment so genuinely scared of a single person.
    So The media arm of the establishment gets involved. Theresa phones Rupert asking what he can do, and he tells her to keep her mouth shut, don't do the live debate, he'll sort this out. So the media goes into overdrive with…
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he's a clown”
    “he's not a leader”
    “look he can't even control his own party”
    “he'll ruin the economy”
    “how's he gonna pay for it all?!”
    “AND he's a terrorist sympathiser, burn him, burn the terrorist sympathiser”
    And what do we? We've waited forever for an honest politician to come along but instead of getting behind him we bow to the establishment like good little workers. They whistle and we do a little dance for them.
    We run around like hypnotised robots repeating headlines we've read, all nodding and agreeing. Feeling really proud of ourselves because we think we've came up with our very own first political opinion. But we haven't, we haven't came up with anything. This is how you tell. No matter where someone lives in the country, they're repeating the same headlines, word for word. From Cornwall to Newcastle people are saying
    “he's a clown”
    “he’s a threat to the country”
    “she's strong and stable”
    “he'll take us back to the 70s”
    And there's nothing else, there's no further opinion. There's no evidence apart from 1 radio 5 interview that isn't even concrete evidence, he actually condemns the violence of both sides in the interview. Theres no data or studies or official reports to back anything up. Try and think really hard why you think he's a clown, other than the fact he looks like a geography teacher. (no offence geography teachers) Because he hasn't done anything clownish from what I've seen.
    And you're not on this planet if you think the establishment and the media aren't all in it together.
    You think Richard Branson, who's quietly winning NHS contracts, wants Corbyn in?
    You think Rupert Murdoch, who's currently trying to widen his media monopoly by buying sky outright, wants Jeremy in?
    You think the barclay brothers, with their offshore residencies, want him in?
    You think Philip Green, who stole all the pensions from BHS workers and claims his wife owns topshop because she lives in Monaco, wants Corbyn in?
    You think the politicians, both Labour and Tory, with their second homes and alcohol paid for by us, want him in?
    You think Starbucks, paying near zero tax, wants him in?
    You think bankers, with their multi million pound bonuses, want him in?
    And do you think they don't have contact with May? Or with the media? You honestly think that these millionaires and billionaires are the sort of people that go “ah well, easy come easy go, it was nice while it lasted”?? I wouldn't be if my personal fortune was at risk, I'd be straight on the phone to Theresa May or Rupert Murdoch demanding this gets sorted immediately.
    Because here's a man, a politician that doesn't lie, he can't lie, he could have said whatever would get him votes anytime he wanted but he hasn't. He lives in a normal house like us and uses the bus just like us.
    He's fought for justice and peace for nearly 40 years. He has no career ambitions. And his seat is untouchable. That's one of the greatest testimonies. No one comes close to removing him from his constituency, election after election.
    His Manifesto is fully costed. It all adds up, yes there's some borrowing but that's just to renationalise the railway, you know we already subsidise them and they make profit yeah? One more time… WE subsidise the railway companies and they walk away with a profit, just try and grasp the level of piss taking going on there. Unlike the tory manifesto with a £9 billion hole, their figures don't even add up.
    And it benefits all of us, young, old, working, disabled, everyone.
    The only people it hurts are the establishment, the rich, the bankers, the top 5% highest earners.
    Good... it's long overdue."
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Great post.
Tories will still win because Jezz ran a shambolic opposition for two years. Although he has finally got an act together ( big style) ,it is unfortunately too late.
May however has been rumbled in this campaign. Sure there will be a coronation when she wins , but reality will then kick in.
I predicted that before Brexit is resolved the UK would need one more crisis and that will be the Tories ridding themselves of May.
Next PM will be someone more capable and personable like Amber Rudd who will have to sort out the mess by opting for a softer safer Brexit and by pinching some of Labour's social policies.
It will be 'one nation' Tories again.
Meanwhile Paul Nuttall and UKIP will attempt cash in on their insurance policy ( to use Nuttall's words) by trying to lure voters back to UKIP.
Labour need to represent a competent and credible left of center party after the election, seen by the public as a government in waiting ready to pick up the pieces from the fallout. That will be Jezza's challenge.
 
Great post.
Tories will still win because Jezz ran a shambolic opposition for two years. Although he has finally got an act together ( big style) ,it is unfortunately too late.
May however has been rumbled in this campaign. Sure there will be a coronation when she wins , but reality will then kick in.
I predicted that before Brexit is resolved the UK would need one more crisis and that will be the Tories ridding themselves of May.
Next PM will be someone more capable and personable like Amber Rudd who will have to sort out the mess by opting for a softer safer Brexit and by pinching some of Labour's social policies.
It will be 'one nation' Tories again.
Meanwhile Paul Nuttall and UKIP will attempt cash in on their insurance policy ( to use Nuttall's words) by trying to lure voters back to UKIP.
Labour need to represent a competent and credible left of center party after the election, seen by the public as a government in waiting ready to pick up the pieces from the fallout. That will be Jezza's challenge.

Here's your man....

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And Corbyn knows it.

But as it stands Clive Lewis, or any Corbyn preferred candidate, would struggle to get thirty Labour MPs' nominations that are presently required to get him or her on the ballot, and that will still be true regardless of the make up of the new post election parliamentary party, as, for the most part, the new labour tories are still in situ. Changing the ballot threshold will be the first battle of the post election Corbyn challenge.

My prediction, Labour loses, Corbyn refuses to resign and the Blairites can't (yet again) get him out. So Corbyn strikes a deal, he'll step down but only if a candidate from the left is guaranteed a place on the ballot, it might require a rule change or maybe (though unlikely) a sufficient number of Blairites will hold their nose and cough up the requisite number of signatures.

Outcome: Corbyn's candidate will win.
 
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The more that comes out about people reporting the attacker, the more appalling Tory cuts to the services seem. They have proved they are a danger to the country no matter how many lies they continually repeat into "truth" they tell about Labour. This isn't a pro-Labour post but my observations.
 
That guy is Dominic Raab - proper " Tory Boy" and a quite despicable human being would be my judgement based upon what he has said in the interviews I have seen over the years - James Wharton is a similar type
Can't blame him when she's coming out with "people are fleeing England for their lives.."
 
Why not fully embrace this socialist fairy land and pay people £20 an hour, or really go for it at £40? Then folk would be so
awash with cash, his business would be in overdrive and Cheesy will be toasting his toes in the Cayman islands, with a supermodel
on each arm.

Since we're being dicks about it, why not cut more police officers, firefighters and put less funding in the NHS so that we can give anyone earning over £80000 their earnings tax free?

The fact is, when the lowest paid people in society are paid more that just means more money going back into the economy. Some businesses will prosper from that, some won't. Just like some people can live comfortably on £7.50 an hour and some can't. Your post sounds like the claptrap that was about when the minimum wage was first introduced, Tory scaremongering at its finest.
 
Can't blame him when she's coming out with "people are fleeing England for their lives.."
Sorry for the straw man mate, but would that be the Dominic Raab who didn't know the size of the national debt now and when the Tories took power?
PS approx 1.7 tn now and 1tn back in the day. Probably 2tn at least by 2025.Unbelievable Jeff.
PPS I do know the difference between deficit and national debt. Tory deadlines for it's ( the deficit's) elimination were 2015,2017,2020 and now 2025 and of course the longer it takes to eliminate the deficit the higher the total debt when you eventually reach the promised land.
 
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