Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[Len Rum]

It's still a large number of younger voters though. Some people go on like everyone under 40 voted remain and everyone over voted leave. Also that older people's opinions are somewhat inferior.

A very large number of pensioners voted remain too.

I voted remain by the way but can see huge positives and negatives from both sides.

Yes, but nobody was "going on like everyone under 40 voted remain......blah blah blah", so no need to clog up the thread by submitting irrelevant posts.

 

[Essex blue]

The orginal vote was rigged in the favour of the remainders!

Why should ex pats and Gibraltar get a vote because the government knew the vote would favour to remain!!!

The true vote was probably 60% to leave

 

[Ban-jani]

Yes, but nobody was "going on like everyone under 40 voted remain......blah blah blah", so no need to clog up the thread by submitting irrelevant posts.

You were.

You were claiming older people have delusions of imperialism and the "good old days" when in reality the amount of pensioners who voted remain or didn't vote were more than those that voted leave. Yet it's not stopped your bigotry towards a proportion of the population who stopped Nazism and who have contributed with tax all of their lives.

Keep up the anti Britain shite though, it's cute.

 

[Jalfraag]

When I see these statements, I see the current Labour party, and why it can't, even after the most ineffectual
defence of a Premiership in living memory, hope to gain power. Now this is a Brexit thread, so not too much about that,
but this sneering attitude to the traditional backbone of this country, working class folk, of which me, my father and grandfather
were members of is what is alienating actual working people.
They saw, and have seen, much further past their fucking noses than the moneyed, pampered faux lefty/commie denizens of
leafy suburbs with peer inspired guilt trips that project themselves onto some vision of working people as snivelling no nothings, who need constant support, and
need to be told what to do.
They don't, and they most certainly won't.

Hear, hear. The condescending attitude of some on here beggars belief.
I must remember to tell the local painter/decorator that he should embrace more Polish undercutting his quotes because he will be able to increase his market share.

 

[The perfect fumble]

You were.

You were claiming older people have delusions of imperialism and the "good old days" when in reality the amount of pensioners who voted remain or didn't vote were more than those that voted leave. Yet it's not stopped your bigotry towards a proportion of the population who stopped Nazism and who have contributed with tax all of their lives.

Keep up the anti Britain shite though, it's cute.

Errr?...You could just as easily state "in reality the amount of pensioners who voted leave or didn't vote were more than those that voted remain" and it would make about as much sense, that is no sense at all.

As for pensioners stopping the Nazis, you'd have to be in your nineties to claim that one, the nearest most pensioners have ever got to stopping the Nazis is watching The Great Escape after their Christmas dinner.

Besides, I think you'll find the 20 million citizens of the Soviet Union who died in the second world war might have had a hand in its outcome, but then no one gives a shit about the babushka's either, I think it's the faint smell of piss.

 

[Ban-jani]

Errr?...You could just as easily state "in reality the amount of pensioners who voted leave or didn't vote were more than those that voted remain" and it would make about as much sense, that is no sense at all.

As for pensioners stopping the Nazis, you'd have to be in your nineties to claim that one, the nearest most pensioners have ever got to stopping the Nazis is watching The Great Escape after their Christmas dinner.

Besides, I think you'll find the 20 million citizens of the Soviets Union who died in the second world war might have had a hand in its outcome, but then no one gives a shit about the babushka's either, I think it's the faint smell of piss.

No it makes perfect sense. He talks as though it's old people who have caused this when IN REALITY it's a minority of old people, as well as minority of younger people. The minority of older people was a smaller minority but a minority it was none the less.

Are people no longer living to their nineties these days? You can also be in your 80's and have served but don't let facts get in the way of anything. Also adding to fact that there are many who were alive at the time and didn't serve but lived through the blitz and helped keep the country going.

Yes and the United States as well. I'm willing to grant every single person who positively contributed the gratification of helping to defeat National Socialism on the continent, it's an insult for you to say otherwise. That includes Canadians, Australians, Indians and many more.

But they weren't communists so you and your muppet chum won't.

 

[goalmole]

When I see these statements, I see the current Labour party, and why it can't, even after the most ineffectual
defence of a Premiership in living memory, hope to gain power. Now this is a Brexit thread, so not too much about that,
but this sneering attitude to the traditional backbone of this country, working class folk, of which me, my father and grandfather
were members of is what is alienating actual working people.
They saw, and have seen, much further past their fucking noses than the moneyed, pampered faux lefty/commie denizens of
leafy suburbs with peer inspired guilt trips that project themselves onto some vision of working people as snivelling no nothings, who need constant support, and
need to be told what to do.
They don't, and they most certainly won't.

I myself am actually a traditional working class tradesman. I'd never pretend to know what's best for the country. Most ordinary people don't know how the fuck government, economics or diplomacy works. It's a fact, fuck all sneering about it.

 

[The perfect fumble]

No it makes perfect sense. He talks as though it's old people who have caused this when IN REALITY it's a minority of old people, as well as minority of younger people. The minority of older people was a smaller minority but a minority it was none the less.

Are people no longer living to their nineties these days? You can also be in your 80's and have served but don't let facts get in the way of anything. Also adding to fact that there are many who were alive at the time and didn't serve but lived through the blitz and helped keep the country going.

Yes and the United States as well. I'm willing to grant every single person who positively contributed the gratification of helping to defeat National Socialism on the continent, it's an insult for you to say otherwise. That includes Canadians, Australians, Indians and many more.

But they weren't communists so you and your muppet chum won't.

Better dead than red.

 

[Len Rum]

Better dead than red.

You're back.
In your absence you might be sad to learn that the Prince of Leavers mcfc1632 appears to have retired following the general election result.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I myself am actually a traditional working class tradesman. I'd never pretend to know what's best for the country. Most ordinary people don't know how the fuck government, economics or diplomacy works. It's a fact, fuck all sneering about it.

You're right,most ordinary people don't know how the fuck government works. Those ordinary people include architects, teachers, solicitors,
TV broadcasters, water diviners and druids. What it does not include, as an exception, is some sort of assortment of collective brain dead morons
consisting solely of folk from the working class.

 

[Ban-jani]

Better dead than red.

I'll take that as you having no decent response.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

I myself am actually a traditional working class tradesman. I'd never pretend to know what's best for the country. Most ordinary people don't know how the fuck government, economics or diplomacy works. It's a fact, fuck all sneering about it.

It's simple, goalmole. It's a system devised by government, economists and diplomats that works rather well for, er, government, economists and diplomats, and the rest of us can just fuck right off whilst we allow them the time and money to make it work for them.

 

[Ban-jani]

It's simple, goalmole. It's a system devised by government, economists and diplomats that works rather well for, er, government, economists and diplomats, and the rest of us can just fuck right off whilst we allow them the time and money to make it work for them.

No, the system in the UK allows us to form a strong government and opposition to question such, using the first past the post set up.

You may laugh at "strong government" because of current circumstances but what I mean is it gives a government the platform to be strong, whilst having an opposition with enough of a stance to question it.

 

[cibaman]

Peter Bone MP claims that a £36b "divorce" settlement will not get through parliament. I expect quite a few Tory MPs would vote against it, but would the opposition parties? Especially if it paves the way to a trade deal and/or transitional deal. I could see them abstaining, but would they actually vote it down?

 

[Len Rum]

Peter Bone MP claims that a £36b "divorce" settlement will not get through parliament. I expect quite a few Tory MPs would vote against it, but would the opposition parties? Especially if it paves the way to a trade deal and/or transitional deal. I could see them abstaining, but would they actually vote it down?

The 36bn is being reported as an opening offer with strings attached, so it will probably end up as a settlement of 50 bn with no strings attached.
The opposition will probably abstain, particularly Labour who want to be seen as more 'soft Brexit friendly' than the Tories.
Downing street has denied the offer,although not sure if May has much influence in the proceedings these days.

 

[Vic]

If you mean there are some Tories in the "go whistle" category that think £36bn is extortionate and would rather do the dishonourable thing and not abide by our treaty obligations I can understand that. If that sum was what enabled us to secure a deal on some of the vital other issues, why would it not get through Parliament?

Unless it's a vote that actually means it's either this or we abandon the whole thing.

Now, denial. Who's most in denial - those who lost in the referendum and won't accept the will of the people, or those who won and won't accept it was a mistake (60% of whom would plough on even if it seriously damages the economy and it cost a family member their job)?

 

[The perfect fumble]

I'll take that as you having no decent response.

I consider your posts nothing more than an ill informed ragbag of reactionary sound bites.

But do not fear, come the inevitable overthrow of our bourgeois oppressors you'll see the error of your ways after a spell in a re-education camp, all your possessions re-distributed to black, lesbian amputees and your family co-opted to potato factory No 14 somewhere on the North York Moors.

It'll be glorious.

 

[Ban-jani]

I consider your posts nothing more than an ill informed ragbag of reactionary sound bites.

But do not fear, come the inevitable overthrow of our bourgeois oppressors you'll see the error of your ways after a spell in a re-education camp, all your possessions re-distributed to black, lesbian amputees and your family co-opted to potato factory No 14 somewhere on the North York Moors.

It'll be glorious.

And yet you constantly don't reply because you can't. You're so biased it's not even possible to reason with you.

You spent months polluting the forum with Tweets from fellow delusionals, who aren't forum members, and then couldn't respond when people called you out on it.

You can't tackle arguments so resort to drivel to distract from your inadequate debating, like you've just posted there. Even other lefties on here think you're a berk.

Life must be so frustrating for you, to live in a county and society you detest yet cannot do anything to change. What must be even more frustrating is having an opinion that you cannot even debate properly, with those that oppose it.

You're the worst poster in off topic and have been for some time.

 

[dickie davies]

The 36bn is being reported as an opening offer with strings attached, so it will probably end up as a settlement of 50 bn with no strings attached.
The opposition will probably abstain, particularly Labour who want to be seen as more 'soft Brexit friendly' than the Tories.
Downing street has denied the offer,although not sure if May has much influence in the proceedings these days.

Is this the £36B that will secures free trade?
Well if it's costing £36B, then it's not free
In fact, the UK has contributed over £200B into the EU over the years, so it's never been free
Why don't we offer to pay it, but this secures everything (UK exports tariff free to the EU. Open skies policy etc etc) for the next 50 years

 

[JWBlueman]