Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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cibaman said:
"Boris, Priti, Moggs"??

Apparently part of the problem is that there are hardly any senior civil servants who support Brexit.
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Then we shouldn't leave then... don't give us this "half in, half out"" scenario because that will please nobody.. no Brexiteer wants the damage that would cause the country. Vote Leave campaign is obviously not in charge of Brexit with Teresa May as Prime Minister who campaigned to stay in the EU.

Seems Remainers want us to suffer because of spite as I'm reading stuff like "Brexiteers brought this on themselves" etc from Remainer voters to Brexit Voters like Brexiteers are in charge of Brexit it is like they are almost gleeful about it.. Remainers blaming Brexiteers for Remainers in Cabinet sabotaging Brexit - you couldn't make it up !!
 
BlueRon7 said:
Then we shouldn't leave then... don't give us this "half in, half out"" scenario because that will please nobody.. no Brexiteer wants the damage that would cause the country. Vote Leave campaign is obviously not in charge of Brexit with Teresa May as Prime Minister who campaigned to stay in the EU.

Seems Remainers want us to suffer because of spite as I'm reading stuff like "Brexiteers brought this on themselves" etc from Remainer voters to Brexit Voters like Brexiteers are in charge of Brexit it is like they are almost gleeful about it.. Remainers blaming Brexiteers for Remainers in Cabinet sabotaging Brexit - you couldn't make it up !!
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I was astonished that May got the job. I was convinced that it would be a Leaver. The problem was that the Tory leadership contest demonstrated that the senior Tory Leave MPs are all totally useless.

And now people are clutching at the straw that is Jacob Rees Mogg.
 
BlueRon7 said:
Then we shouldn't leave then... don't give us this "half in, half out"" scenario because that will please nobody.. no Brexiteer wants the damage that would cause the country. Vote Leave campaign is obviously not in charge of Brexit with Teresa May as Prime Minister who campaigned to stay in the EU.

Seems Remainers want us to suffer because of spite as I'm reading stuff like "Brexiteers brought this on themselves" etc from Remainer voters to Brexit Voters like Brexiteers are in charge of Brexit it is like they are almost gleeful about it.. Remainers blaming Brexiteers for Remainers in Cabinet sabotaging Brexit - you couldn't make it up !!
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What anyone cannot make up is brexiteers blaming the people in charge brexit. Next it will be EU for sabotaging brexit or may be someone already made that up too.
 
Len Rum said:
It's all clear guys.
The UK will leave THE customs union in the interim period and join A customs union with the EU which will be exactly the same as err........THE customs union ( obviously with one proviso that we will be allowed to negotiate trade deals that obviously the EU will agree to).
After the interim period the Government is to devise innovative and technological solutions that enable us to continue to trade tariff free with the EU without having to meet any of the obligations that other EU members have to , obviously which the EU will have no difficulty agreeing to again.
All clear Gary,Jeff?
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Oh...and anything that we do manufacture for export to the EU will have to comply with all those pesky rules and directives that are issued by Brussels
 
cibaman said:
"Boris, Priti, Moggs"??

Apparently part of the problem is that there are hardly any senior civil servants who support Brexit.
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Priti Patel as PM!

You may be right that the civil servants may not be in support; however, I suspect at least as much is that they are laying out the issues that need overcoming, many of which are extremely difficult to deal with - Scottish opposition (largely); the Irish border problem; general disentanglement of regulations and creation of the new ones/overseers (of which there isn't anyone to do it).

A lot of the best civil servants have left since ministers became more dictatorial (not just the last 5 years, but the last 20 years, not helped by the huge increase in riches they can earn in the City), and stopped listening to the people who had the facts and had to untie the Gordian knot.
 
cibaman said:
I was astonished that May got the job. I was convinced that it would be a Leaver. The problem was that the Tory leadership contest demonstrated that the senior Tory Leave MPs are all totally useless.

And now people are clutching at the straw that is Jacob Rees Mogg.
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But there wasn't any heavyweight Leaver left by the time Johnson and Gove had taken each other out of the contest. It's a poisoned chalice, and anyone smart was steering clear.

Whether Johnson is actually a Leaver rather than just a chancer is of course another question.
 
arbabarshad said:
What anyone cannot make up is brexiteers blaming the people in charge brexit. Next it will be EU for sabotaging brexit or may be someone already made that up too.
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People voted for Brexit on the premise of Vote Leave's campaign, David Cameron resigned precisely because he was a REMAINER and didn't think it was right for someone to lead the country who didn't believe in Brexit.. (fair dues to Dodgy Dave for that) Teresa May is a chancer who saw it as an opportunity even though she was part of the David Cameron regime and a Remainer.

Someone from Vote Leave should be in charge and Prime Minister because it's what people voted on, not that complicated to understand infact it's common sense.. put the people who won in power - seems simple but our government (which is split because there is too many Remainers and Brexiteers arguing no united vision because Remainers don't want what Vote Leave campaigned on) have made a mess of it. We will never know how things would've gone if that happened, and that's sad.. as people voted in this maybe for the first time in their lives.. a massive turn out that was one of the biggest recorded votes ever. If Brexit isn't delivered on like Vote Leave campaign said, it WILL be a Brexit Betrayal for the people who voted Leave and I can see people voting less and less in future elections as people lose hope in their vote ever making a difference.. :(

Until A Brexiteer is Prime Minister you can't judge Brexit.
 
BlueRon7 said:
People voted for Brexit on the premise of Vote Leave's campaign, David Cameron resigned precisely because he was a REMAINER and didn't think it was right for someone to lead the country who didn't believe in Brexit.. (fair dues to Dodgy Dave for that) Teresa May is a chancer who saw it as an opportunity even though she was part of the David Cameron regime and a Remainer.

Someone from Vote Leave should be in charge and Prime Minister because it's what people voted on, not that complicated to understand infact it's common sense.. put the people who won in power - seems simple but our government (which is split because there is too many Remainers and Brexiteers arguing no united vision because Remainers don't want what Vote Leave campaigned on) have made a mess of it. We will never know how things would've gone if that happened, and that's sad.. as people voted in this maybe for the first time in their lives.. a massive turn out that was one of the biggest recorded votes ever. If Brexit isn't delivered on like Vote Leave campaign said, it WILL be a Brexit Betrayal for the people who voted Leave and I can see people voting less and less in future elections as people lose hope in their vote ever making a difference.. :(

Until A Brexiteer is Prime Minister you can't judge Brexit.
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Regardless of how she voted in the referendum, its difficult to see how May could have been more of a Brexiteer once she got the job. What has she done, or failed to do, since she became PM that Boris would have done differently?
 
Len Rum said:
It's all clear guys.
The UK will leave THE customs union in the interim period and join A customs union with the EU which will be exactly the same as err........THE customs union ( obviously with one proviso that we will be allowed to negotiate trade deals that obviously the EU will agree to).
After the interim period the Government is to devise innovative and technological solutions that enable us to continue to trade tariff free with the EU without having to meet any of the obligations that other EU members have to , obviously which the EU will have no difficulty agreeing to again.
All clear Gary,Jeff?
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In a nutshell
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
What like we do the day before we leave the eu. Yeah it's going to be a nightmare
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Yes I don't really see the problem here everything we export to the EU at the moment meet EU regulations so we should be ok on that front.Could be a problem if British Standards are put in place massive hold ups on imports as we check the emissions on VWs and do a few tests on Dutch eggs.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Yes I don't really see the problem here everything we export to the EU at the moment meet EU regulations so we should be ok on that front.Could be a problem if British Standards are put in place massive hold ups on imports as we check the emissions on VWs and do a few tests on Dutch eggs.
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It works both ways mate.
As soon as we leave the EU there will be divergence of UK products and services from EU regulations as UK will not be bound by EU legislation post brexit.
So just because we comply at the moment does not mean compliance post brexit.
So although you "don't really see the problem here", there would in fact be a problem.
 
Len Rum said:
It works both ways mate.
As soon as we leave the EU there will be divergence of UK products and services from EU regulations as UK will not be bound by EU legislation post brexit.
So just because we comply at the moment does not mean compliance post brexit.
So although you "don't really see the problem here", there would in fact be a problem.
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So no one in the UK exports to anywhere other than the EU?
 
Len Rum said:
It works both ways mate.
As soon as we leave the EU there will be divergence of UK products and services from EU regulations as UK will not be bound by EU legislation post brexit.
So just because we comply at the moment does not mean compliance post brexit.
So although you "don't really see the problem here", there would in fact be a problem.
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I would assume that companies that are exporting into the EU at the moment would simply continue to work within the EU regulation framework as they do at the moment, I wouldn't have thought that would have caused a major problem. On the other hand if British standards change then it would be up to EU exporters into the UK to comply with those, If they're making money I'm sure they would keep up with current regs.
 
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