Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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Been following this story since it first broke a few weeks ago. Since then it's just got murkier and more disturbing. Makes the lies on the side of a bus seem like school boy stuff

Agree about the bus lies but it's the wider implications that concern me.

Yes I voted Remain and no I'm not happy that the democratic process has clearly been interfered with but going forward, if this is allowed to go on, all and any democratic votes are fair game.

Big brother will truly be running the world and the little people (us) will have no idea it's happening.
 
Oh alright then, about £0.3 bn each.
I'm a bit of an old money man myself. Five bob was maybe a bit of an understatement, probably more like a tenner!
No worries mate,was only joking anyway..(Five bob is that 2 half a crowns)?
 
I trust the guardian as much as I trust the daily mail, both are echo chambers for a political view and read as nonsense to any reader who isn't partizan and balanced in their political views. This Carole Cadwalladr bangs the drum and writes " The right is rewriting history on the web.We must seize back control". It's absolute nonsense IMHO.

Try actually reading all the reports. These people who you dismiss are possibly some of the few truly investigative journalists we have left.

The following para is from https://www.theguardian.com/comment...voter-manipulation-eu-referendum-social-media

It is happening and will continue to happen. We ignore it at our peril.

When interviewed by Cadwalladr, Leave.EU’s communications director admitted Facebook was the key to the entire campaign. A Facebook “like” was their most potent weapon. “Using artificial intelligence, as we did, tells you all sorts of things about that individual and how to convince them with what sort of advert. And you knew there would also be other people in their network who liked what they liked, so you could spread. And then you follow them. The computer never stops learning and it never stops monitoring.”
 
Agree about the bus lies but it's the wider implications that concern me.

Yes I voted Remain and no I'm not happy that the democratic process has clearly been interfered with but going forward, if this is allowed to go on, all and any democratic votes are fair game.

Big brother will truly be running the world and the little people (us) will have no idea it's happening.

Yep. Whichever way you voted it has to be a concern.
 
Try actually reading all the reports. These people who you dismiss are possibly some of the few truly investigative journalists we have left.

The following para is from https://www.theguardian.com/comment...voter-manipulation-eu-referendum-social-media

It is happening and will continue to happen. We ignore it at our peril.

When interviewed by Cadwalladr, Leave.EU’s communications director admitted Facebook was the key to the entire campaign. A Facebook “like” was their most potent weapon. “Using artificial intelligence, as we did, tells you all sorts of things about that individual and how to convince them with what sort of advert. And you knew there would also be other people in their network who liked what they liked, so you could spread. And then you follow them. The computer never stops learning and it never stops monitoring.”

I wouldn't waste my time reading a writer that constantly bangs on about taking power back from the right wing. Like other remainers all she seems to suggest is that people who voted to leave were duped and the enlightened intelligentsia voted to remain.
 
I wouldn't waste my time reading a writer that constantly bangs on about taking power back from the right wing. Like other remainers all she seems to suggest is that people who voted to leave were duped and the enlightened intelligentsia voted to remain.

This isn't about leave/remain ffs !

How do you know what she is suggesting if you don't read the articles !

No-one is suggesting that everyone who voted leave was manipulated but that there was a concerted psycho campaign conducted against the persuadable. The proof is there for all to see.

There has clearly been voter manipulation on a subliminal level. If you're okay with that then it saddens me. We may have completely different political beliefs or we may be closer than we think but this is an assault on democracy by people who care only for their own egos.

For that reason everyone should be taking this very seriously.
 
This isn't about leave/remain ffs !

How do you know what she is suggesting if you don't read the articles !

No-one is suggesting that everyone who voted leave was manipulated but that there was a concerted psycho campaign conducted against the persuadable. The proof is there for all to see.

There has clearly been voter manipulation on a subliminal level. If you're okay with that then it saddens me. We may have completely different political beliefs or we may be closer than we think but this is an assault on democracy by people who care only for their own egos.

For that reason everyone should be taking this very seriously.

I read enough to see that it IS about the Brexit vote and it IS more bemoaning from the left pointing at the nasty right. I do not subscribe to the view that people who vote a certain way have been manipulated and that people who voted another way have the wherewithal to decipher lies.

People mention the bus a lot, but do people constantly go on about the punishment budget or Obama coming over telling us to get to the back of the queue?
 
I read enough to see that it IS about the Brexit vote and it IS more bemoaning from the left pointing at the nasty right. I do not subscribe to the view that people who vote a certain way have been manipulated and that people who voted another way have the wherewithal to decipher lies.

People mention the bus a lot, but do people constantly go on about the punishment budget or Obama coming over telling us to get to the back of the queue?

I also do not believe that everyone that voted in a certain way was manipulated.

What I do believe, and there is a lot of evidence to back up the belief, is that certain people were identified as persuadable and then bombarded with messages to sway them in a certain direction without them ever being aware of what was going on.

The problem with all this is that if we are on social media (and I am) then we are all potential targets.

I don't care about the politics of the journalists or what football team they support. I care about democracy.

This is not about Brexit. This is about democracy !
 
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