Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[mcfc1632]

Oh alright then, about £0.3 bn each.
I'm a bit of an old money man myself. Five bob was maybe a bit of an understatement, probably more like a tenner!

In the anticipation that you may re-join the debate - shall I point you to lots of the material that clearly demonstrates that the EU - including Germany within the EU - are seriously impacted by the loss of access to our cash. This is not about 2/6 pence or £8bn - it is a major problem

There is a lot of evidence out there if you just choose to look and take you fingers out of your ears - or I guess hands off your eyes works better on the internet:

Just as a taster - the words of an expert attending a session called by the Committee on the Affairs of the European Union of the Deutsche Bundestag - so shall we agree not UK biased??.

"...................To my surprise, most of the experts nominated by the other parties did not stress macroeconomic effects for Britain such as employment, economic output and exports. Rather, their concerns focused on Brexit’s impact on the EU budget, and the potential harm to the German economy (Germany is Britain’s largest source of imports and enjoys a substantial trade surplus on UK trade). The UK gross contribution to the EU budget in 2015 was €18.2 billion or about 12% of the total, though the net contribution (once you remove payments Britain receives from the EU) was about 8%.

How to cover this revenue shortfall presents a major political problem to member states and especially the German government (the largest net contributor).................."

Now - that article goes on to be clear on the impact to the EU should they lose access to our cash - not just 'percentages of trade'

There is lots - lots more

 

[Len Rum]

Fuck me you are getting fumblesque recently

One-liner quips that do not say anything other than moan - you are better than that Len - well at least I gave/give you more credit.

Your one-liner there is meaningless unless there remains the opportunity for the decision to leave the UK to be reversed

Given that seems not only highly unlikely but that leaving seems to be what an increasing majority of the population wants - there comes a time when you need to be able to 'get over it' and discuss what happens during the negotiations and following our having exited - i.e. the subject that this thread is about.

There may be some not able to do that and will still be like the Japanese soldiers - fighting the war years after, but surely you do not want to be in that sad camp?

My post was showing clear evidence that this myth of EU Unity is - well a myth - I am seeing quite a few examples. That is actually important to the future well-being of the UK and worthy of discussion.

There are some of the more limited posters that declare that they have not the capability to read / absorb / debate - but you used to be able to. What has gone wrong - perhaps it is a realisation that the pre 23/06 fight is now finally lost? Buck up mate and re-join the debate

What it is mate I'm hacked off with discussing 'no deal' scenarios because despite the bullshit I still have some faith that the UK and the EU will not go down a mutually destructive path where there are no winners only losers . You can argue who loses the most and yes that could affect the dynamics of the negotiations, but ultimately I still think there will be a compromise deal where both sides will be able to claim 'success '.

 

[dave_blue12]

Please read and try to leave your set bias for Brexit or Remain to one side. The headline is not really helpful.

Whichever side is using this, it is deeply disturbing stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[dave_blue12]

Don't believe the above. Try the horses mouth !

http://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/big-data-better-donald-trump/1383025

 

[BlueRon7]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35059...ration-to-below-100000-in-election-manifesto/

All the immigrants faults for taking our jobs.. apparently !

 

[stonerblue]

Please read and try to leave your set bias for Brexit or Remain to one side. The headline is not really helpful.

Whichever side is using this, it is deeply disturbing stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/technol...ery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Good work Dave

 

[dave_blue12]

Good work Dave

Thanks Stoner.

I've been reading about this for most of the morning and it really is scary stuff. Democracy is being manipulated by a few billionaires and the laws of the western democracy's are unable to deal with it. Furthermore, those in power are unlikely to have the motivation to shape new laws to meet the threat head on as chickens don't generally vote for Xmas.

Follow https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla

to keep updated.

 

[stonerblue]

Thanks Stoner.

I've been reading about this for most of the morning and it really is scary stuff. Democracy is being manipulated by a few billionaires and the laws of the western democracy's are unable to deal with it. Furthermore, those in power are unlikely to have the motivation to shape new laws to meet the threat head on as chickens don't generally vote for Xmas.

Follow https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla

to keep updated.

Been following this story since it first broke a few weeks ago. Since then it's just got murkier and more disturbing. Makes the lies on the side of a bus seem like school boy stuff

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I trust the guardian as much as I trust the daily mail, both are echo chambers for a political view and read as nonsense to any reader who isn't partizan and balanced in their political views. This Carole Cadwalladr bangs the drum and writes " The right is rewriting history on the web.We must seize back control". It's absolute nonsense IMHO.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

In the anticipation that you may re-join the debate - shall I point you to lots of the material that clearly demonstrates that the EU - including Germany within the EU - are seriously impacted by the loss of access to our cash. This is not about 2/6 pence or £8bn - it is a major problem

There is a lot of evidence out there if you just choose to look and take you fingers out of your ears - or I guess hands off your eyes works better on the internet:

Just as a taster - the words of an expert attending a session called by the Committee on the Affairs of the European Union of the Deutsche Bundestag - so shall we agree not UK biased??.

"...................To my surprise, most of the experts nominated by the other parties did not stress macroeconomic effects for Britain such as employment, economic output and exports. Rather, their concerns focused on Brexit’s impact on the EU budget, and the potential harm to the German economy (Germany is Britain’s largest source of imports and enjoys a substantial trade surplus on UK trade). The UK gross contribution to the EU budget in 2015 was €18.2 billion or about 12% of the total, though the net contribution (once you remove payments Britain receives from the EU) was about 8%.

How to cover this revenue shortfall presents a major political problem to member states and especially the German government (the largest net contributor).................."

Now - that article goes on to be clear on the impact to the EU should they lose access to our cash - not just 'percentages of trade'

There is lots - lots more

They have no intention of losing access to our 'cash'.....looks like we'll be selling off the London Stock Exchange to either the germans or the Americans.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...f-london-stock-exchange-is-about-to-get-nasty