FantasyIreland
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Yep,Sanchez and KDB with Fern protecting works fine for me.
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Yep,Sanchez and KDB with Fern protecting works fine for me.
Yep,Sanchez and KDB with Fern protecting works fine for me.
I have disagree mate. Maybe yaya is an extreme example but give me Gundogan or B.Silva over Sanchez in that position any day. Only benefit I could see to setting out like that is if we are chasing the game but then you’d be pushing Sanchez up into a position he’s more natural and dangerous in!
City_Sean
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Yep,Sanchez and KDB with Fern protecting works fine for me.
It wouldn't work fine at all. In fact, It's so incredibly unbalanced it's almost ludicrous.
Dribble
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Have you ever wondered why Pep probably sees football so differently to most?In central midfield? I would play pretty much any of our central midfielders over Sanchez there, yes.
Are you saying Sanchez couldn't play as one of two advanced midfielders behind a striker?
Dribble
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OK, now your posts are making sense. So the fact I mentioned Sanchez as one of a central midfield 3 leads you to believe that's where I'd suggest playing him?Are you mad?! Yaya played as a holding midfielder last night. You want to buy Sanchez and play him there! Mental mate.
I’m not against Sanchez at all. I’d like him at city. But if we sign him I’d like to play him in a position that makes sense! Ie one of the front three.
OK, let's think outside the box for a moment. How about if Sanchez were available last night playing Gundogan as a pivot, with Sanchez & B Silva ahead of him????
Does that make central midfield sense to you at all?
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Dribble
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OK, allow me to clarify. If Sanchez were available to us last night, in my mind he'd have been on the bench.Mate, Sanchez isnt a central midfielder, and i dont understand how you see him as that either. Yayas role is to be a backup defensive midfielder in the squad. Playing Sanchez in that postion is like playing Neymar in that position. He is also totally different to Silva and KDB. Pep wanted him to give us more goal threat, as Sanchez is a front 3 player. He would compete with Sane, Sterling, Aguero and Jesus if/when we sign him.
If we are looking for a replacement for Yaya, Diawara at Napoli or Weigl from Dortmund are the guys City should be looking at. But that belongs to another thread.
Given that Sanchez would give us more options, he woupd have replaced the ageing Yaya in central midfield, but not played in his poisition.
Sanchez being here would have allowed us to play Gundogan deeper, with B Silva & Sanchez behind Jesus, with Yaya on the bench where his form alludes to where he should be.
This is what I mean by Sanchez replacing Yaya. It's thinking outside of the obvious that separates Guardiola from the average manager. Yaya being replaced by Sanchez allows us to shuffle the midfield accordingly & makes perfect sense to me.
Hopefully you now understand.
Dribble
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Your first example is EXACTLY the way Pep is thinking & makes more sense than your example with the ageing Yaya in a position where he'd get mullered..As an example You’d play this:
Kdb dinho sanchez
Sterling Aguero sane
Over this:
Kdb dinho yaya
Sterling Aguero sane
I’m far from a yaya fan and think he’s done but in our system just think it’s ludicrous to play Sanchez there.
Are you seriously saying Sanchez couldn't play as one of two advanced midfielders behind the main striker?
Dribble
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Can you explain how/why?It wouldn't work fine at all. In fact, It's so incredibly unbalanced it's almost ludicrous.
Have you ever wondered why Pep probably sees football so differently to most?
Are you saying Sanchez couldn't play as one of two advanced midfielders behind a striker?
As in a 10 position, yes. As in a 6 or 8, the positions Silva and KDB play, no.
The one thing that confuses me about us wanting Sanchez is that his pass accuracy is appalling. Nobody in our squad, including Ederson and Mangala, has anywhere near as bad a passing accuracy as Sanchez who manages to complete about 7 in every 10 passes. Am I missing something?Can you explain how/why?
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In a scenario where we need cover for David Silva, I think both of those players are more suited and have more of the attributes to cover what he does. We'd get the most out of Sanchez by playing him further up the pitch. We have two players there in our squad (Bernardo and Gundogan) who we aren't getting the most out of at the moment. Hopefully it's just a case of Gundogan needing more time to bounce back from his injuries and for Bernardo to adapt, but if we end up in a situation further down the line where Sanchez was seen as a better option to cover/replace Silva than either of those two, then i think that would represent a bit of a failure to have gotten the best out of those players.Better than Sanchez?
OK, allow me to clarify. If Sanchez were available to us last night, in my mind he'd have been on the bench.
Given that Sanchez would give us more options, he woupd have replaced the ageing Yaya in central midfield, but not played in his poisition.
Sanchez being here would have allowed us to play Gundogan deeper, with B Silva & Sanchez behind Jesus, with Yaya on the bench where his form alludes to where he should be.
This is what I mean by Sanchez replacing Yaya. It's thinking outside of the obvious that separates Guardiola from the average manager. Yaya being replaced by Sanchez allows us to shuffle the midfield accordingly & makes perfect sense to me.
Hopefully you now understand.
Sure but you’re talking about changing our formation to go even more attacking when we are chasing the game. In that scenario and the position you’re suggesting playing Sanchez in then defo he’d be an asset.
However we were talking, or at least I thought we were, of whether Sanchez could do a better job in central midfield than Gundogan, B.Silva or Yaya... which he couldn’t! Sanchez doesn’t have the attributes in his locker to be a successful central midfielder. Could he stand in and do a job there if there was no one else, sure. But he isn’t a long term viable option there because 1) he’d be wasted here and 2) he doesn’t have the right attributes for that position.
Like someone else said, it would be like signing Neymar and playing him as a central midfielder. Pointless.
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The one thing that confuses me about us wanting Sanchez is that his pass accuracy is appalling. Nobody in our squad, including Ederson and Mangala, has anywhere near as bad a passing accuracy as Sanchez who manages to complete about 7 in every 10 passes. Am I missing something?
Well maybe the position he is playing, and the style of play involved.
When we want to compare stats we have to keep in mind the quality of those figures.
Dinho is PL top in passes played at an over 90% rate. Can be explained by his job as a link between defence and KDB/Silva.
Question is where on the pitch do we want safety and where do we prefer some risks at the cost of possible failure.
Sanchez job is creating threats. Doesn't matter if his accuracy on that position would be 30% as long as he creates the match winner any game, right?
Sanchez is able to dribble at some speed and still control the ball, also famous for fantastic free kicks. He has an outstanding technique.
I have no doubt he will be able to play at a high accuracy in a different role where accuracy would be crucial.
Dribble
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Why not?As in a 10 position, yes. As in a 6 or 8, the positions Silva and KDB play, no.
Why not?
Because, as I’ve stated above, I don’t think he has the attributes to play well there. His passing along would be a huge weakness in that position, in our system.
Dribble
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Yes, he tries the extraordinary to unlock tight defences. However, he needs team mates who can understand & read what he's liable to do, just the same way Pep was coaching Sterling on that viral video & in the way Sane said after intense training, he now knew what KDB was liable to do, which is why some people think KDB is telepathic.The one thing that confuses me about us wanting Sanchez is that his pass accuracy is appalling. Nobody in our squad, including Ederson and Mangala, has anywhere near as bad a passing accuracy as Sanchez who manages to complete about 7 in every 10 passes. Am I missing something?
He's not, it's all down to practice & understanding. Wenger is known as a manager who trusts his players & allows them artistic licence from midfield to the front.
This is great when your players are streets ahead of everyone else, but when they meet better teams, a plan is needed not just instinct.
Dribble
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What I don't get is your myopic view of 'either/or', as opposed to 'as well as'.In a scenario where we need cover for David Silva, I think both of those players are more suited and have more of the attributes to cover what he does. We'd get the most out of Sanchez by playing him further up the pitch. We have two players there in our squad (Bernardo and Gundogan) who we aren't getting the most out of at the moment. Hopefully it's just a case of Gundogan needing more time to bounce back from his injuries and for Bernardo to adapt, but if we end up in a situation further down the line where Sanchez was seen as a better option to cover/replace Silva than either of those two, then i think that would represent a bit of a failure to have gotten the best out of those players.
Question: Do you believe Aguero or Jesus could play advanced midfield ahead of Fernandinho?
Dribble
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Sanchez has every attribute possible to play as an attacking midfielder. He already does, albeit mostly from a wide position.Sure but you’re talking about changing our formation to go even more attacking when we are chasing the game. In that scenario and the position you’re suggesting playing Sanchez in then defo he’d be an asset.
However we were talking, or at least I thought we were, of whether Sanchez could do a better job in central midfield than Gundogan, B.Silva or Yaya... which he couldn’t! Sanchez doesn’t have the attributes in his locker to be a successful central midfielder. Could he stand in and do a job there if there was no one else, sure. But he isn’t a long term viable option there because 1) he’d be wasted here and 2) he doesn’t have the right attributes for that position.
Like someone else said, it would be like signing Neymar and playing him as a central midfielder. Pointless.
This is why Pep is such a visionary. He wanted Sterling at City when his potential was becoming apparent, but what has he said about Sterling's future? It will lie as a No 10, but he has to learn his trade first.
Please don't be offended when I say this, but when Pep thinks outside of the box & you others can't see his vision, it doesn't mean his vision will never be reality. It will, albeit you & several others cannot see this yet which is what separates Pep from our previous incumbent & other run of the mill PL managers.
For Pep's vision regarding Sterling's possibilities, see Sanchez.
Dribble
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As I've stated above, his passing has to be taken into context of who his team mates are & what the team instructions are, & the methods of training employed.Because, as I’ve stated above, I don’t think he has the attributes to play well there. His passing along would be a huge weakness in that position, in our system.
Please refer to what Sane said about understanding KDB, & the video doing the rounds featuring Pep showing Sterling exactly how he wants him to play football in our team.
I can see the plan very clearly, but there's no shame in it if you can't...
Sanchez has every attribute possible to play as an attacking midfielder. He already does, albeit mostly from a wide position.
This is why Pep is such a visionary. He wanted Sterling at City when his potential was becoming apparent, but what has he said about Sterling's future? It will lie as a No 10, but he has to learn his trade first.
Please don't be offended when I say this, but when Pep thinks outside of the box & you others can't see his vision, it doesn't mean his vision will never be reality. It will, albeit you & several others cannot see this yet which is what separates Pep from our previous incumbent & other run of the mill PL managers.
For Pep's vision regarding Sterling's possibilities, see Sanchez.
1) you’re not pep 2) pep hasn’t said he wants Sanchez to play in central midfield has he?
If you think Sanchez has all the attributes to play as a central midfielder then I think you have little understanding of the game. If Sanchez happens to drop deeper for Arsenal or signs for us and plays in either KDB or Silva’s role and excels then I’ll happily hold my hands up.
Also not sure what the sterling 10 example has to do with us talking about Sanchez playing as a central midfielder but hey.
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