tolmie's hairdoo
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I didn't sleep well last night.
Mangala is like the bogey man who would even get stuck under the bed.
Mangala is like the bogey man who would even get stuck under the bed.
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OB1
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I thought he had a decent game too, but he does make idiotic mistakes nearly every game, 1 cost us tonight, another didn't. IF he could cut that out he's a very good back up, but its 3 years now, and he shows no sign of cutting it out sadly, when we're free scoring it doesn't mater so much, but when we're finding it hard to score it can make a difference to the result.
His wasn't the only error that cost a goal tonight though, the 'future captain' then made a stupid and needless tackle, compounding his mistake on Saturday, though I'm sure Pep will discuss that with him.
I hadn't / haven't read the whole thread but it was good to see someone raise the point. Mangala was put in a difficult position because he had limited options but he also has limitations as a player. Without reviewing the situation again, I'm not sure if he could have given the ball back to Stones or turned and gone back to Bravo. Maybe his best bet was to try and run the ball out but he chose to try and pass (this being a Pep team) and that meant playing the ball at a narrow angle, which the Bristol player was able to block. Shit will happen when you play like this and it doesn't and won't just happen to Mangala - just wait until Eddie presents the ball to an oncoming striker who plops it into an open net!
Mangala also had some struggles when given the ball in other tight situations but I'm not sure there was too much wrong with his defending; I know he made plenty of clearances.
I thought Stones was a little unlucky on the penalty offence in the sense that I felt he was very close to getting the ball - may even have got a very faint touch - and so, whilst he took the wrong decision, I can see why he thought he could make the tackle.
Let's hope the incident will be useful experience for both our CB's.
OB1
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In what way was Yaya awful? I saw him sat in midfield, always showing for the ball and nearly always finding a blue shirt.
Mangala and Stones both fucked up for the penalty but that aside, were hardly the disaster being painted by some on here.
Gundogan played well enough and remember him against Burnley were he got similar criticism and his contribution then?
Bernardo again was always available for the ball and a world class ball helped us to win the game so again, not great?
Good job we didn’t play Arsenal or Chelsea? I keep reading rubbish like this. We didn’t play them did we? We played Bristol City and beat them 2-1 so what’s your problem and why try to create and non existent scenario or argument?
It’s similar to the “play like that 2nd leg and we are out” bollocks.
Play like that we win the game again no doubt and go through.
Horses for courses......
IMO, we have a lot of supporters who lack perspective. Obviously, I don't apply that view to you :)
hihosilva
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Not upto the usual standards but we take a lead to Bristol.
Again DeBruyne ran the show, absolute world class but some poor individual performances by Mangala, Danilo & Sane.
Mangala is simply not good enough for this team & Danilo has yet to impress.
If Pep can bring in some more quality players in the summer to replace Mangala, Yaya & possibly Danilo then we'l have an unbelievable squad.
Again DeBruyne ran the show, absolute world class but some poor individual performances by Mangala, Danilo & Sane.
Mangala is simply not good enough for this team & Danilo has yet to impress.
If Pep can bring in some more quality players in the summer to replace Mangala, Yaya & possibly Danilo then we'l have an unbelievable squad.
OB1
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Yaya is still a great instinctive footballer with the ball at his feet (like Rooney)
However he failed last night on numerous occasions to make himself any space to receive the ball. The number of times he was stood in the centre circle five yards ahead of our centre halves waiting for the ball, but the two front players for Bristol had cut that pass off. He also hasn't the legs to get up and down the pitch
I totally agree with you regards Mangala and Stones. If anything it was our forward players who really messed up by making the wrong decisions time and time again
Isn't that a tactic a lot of teams have adopted against us (since Wolves)? Pretty sure Dinho has been targeted by opposition forwards too. Obviously, Yaya is less mobile than Dinho so probably easier to mark but there seems to have been a concerted effort to prevent our holding player getting the ball off the CB's and it might be that the holding players are under instruction not to move too far out of position? Us using positional play and all...
Yaya's time is up though; or will be at the end of the season.
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BLUEMATT23
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I didn't sleep well last night.
Mangala is like the bogey man who would even get stuck under the bed.
Agreed - He hacked at everything, a complete £32 million pound liability. Truly dreadful defender.
I'd even have JF Evans than this guy.
mosssideblue
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I'mnot defending Bravo per se, but anyone who is blaming him for the penalty last night has nothing but hatred for the fella. I agree Eddy is the better keeper but he regularly plays with a well oiled back four.You can’t blame bravo for stones giving away the penalty or miss kicking v Burnley but it’s obvious if you watch that the whole defence is so much more calmer and organised when ederson plays. That might be more to do with ederson being so good but if you actually watch the games bravo causes panic. I’ve been sticking up for bravo for a year, but I’m sorry he’s not good enough.
mosssideblue
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This all day long. We have some very entitled fans who cannot accept a good team performance against usReading some of these posts is embarrassing anyone would have thought we'd lost,ffs give your head's a wobble you sound like spoilt children we have no Divine right to turn every one over 5_0 can't you just show your support instead of whinging like some fans down the road not to far from here
Ha some perspective on my train back - considering the love-in for BC, they could only score a pen against Mangala and Bravo!
Does that mean they weren’t that good or Mangala and Bravo ain’t as bad as we’d like to make them out to be?
Does that mean they weren’t that good or Mangala and Bravo ain’t as bad as we’d like to make them out to be?
lostgalaxy
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I think its about time our back fours start to use feints against pressing opponents. At least it would be an entertaining mistake.
Neville Kneville
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I hadn't / haven't read the whole thread but it was good to see someone raise the point. Mangala was put in a difficult position because he had limited options but he also has limitations as a player. Without reviewing the situation again, I'm not sure if he could have given the ball back to Stones or turned and gone back to Bravo. Maybe his best bet was to try and run the ball out but he chose to try and pass (this being a Pep team) and that meant playing the ball at a narrow angle, which the Bristol player was able to block. Shit will happen when you play like this and it doesn't and won't just happen to Mangala - just wait until Eddie presents the ball to an oncoming striker who plops it into an open net!
Mangala also had some struggles when given the ball in other tight situations but I'm not sure there was too much wrong with his defending; I know he made plenty of clearances.
I thought Stones was a little unlucky on the penalty offence in the sense that I felt he was very close to getting the ball - may even have got a very faint touch - and so, whilst he took the wrong decision, I can see why he thought he could make the tackle.
Let's hope the incident will be useful experience for both our CB's.
If you look at the incident when Mangala (stupidly) gave the ball away, the thing which sums him up for me, is not the giveaway, it's his instant reaction to it.
Looking from the side, I saw that & thought 'dickhead, ok, sort it out'. Not 'oh shit they are going to score'. I thought 'oh shit they are going to score' a second later, when I saw that Mangala's arse had gone instantly, when he gave away the ball, & was now fouling the bloke (but not properly fouling him, enough to actually stop him) & half running, but not fully comitting himself to sprinting. His brain had gone & he had no fucking idea, what he was doing.
Exactly the same, as several times v Wolves, vs some other bloke we have never heard of.
Neither fouling the guy & stopping him, nor running to get in front of him & defend, just grasping at him, like a drowning man.
He can't handle playing at this level.
gkmcfc
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Expected more from us going forward, although we had good chances to win the game more convincingly. A good win in the end against a gutsy Bristol team who
Showed far more balls than many Premier League teams have done this season!
Showed far more balls than many Premier League teams have done this season!
I hadn't / haven't read the whole thread but it was good to see someone raise the point. Mangala was put in a difficult position because he had limited options but he also has limitations as a player. Without reviewing the situation again, I'm not sure if he could have given the ball back to Stones or turned and gone back to Bravo. Maybe his best bet was to try and run the ball out but he chose to try and pass (this being a Pep team) and that meant playing the ball at a narrow angle, which the Bristol player was able to block. Shit will happen when you play like this and it doesn't and won't just happen to Mangala - just wait until Eddie presents the ball to an oncoming striker who plops it into an open net!
Mangala also had some struggles when given the ball in other tight situations but I'm not sure there was too much wrong with his defending; I know he made plenty of clearances.
I thought Stones was a little unlucky on the penalty offence in the sense that I felt he was very close to getting the ball - may even have got a very faint touch - and so, whilst he took the wrong decision, I can see why he thought he could make the tackle.
Let's hope the incident will be useful experience for both our CB's.
There was a simple pass out wide to Sterling who had a yard on his marker, no need to try the difficult pass to Zinchenko.
inchy14
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Bravo shirks responsibility. He will get rid to a blue who obviously is in no place to receive. Rather than risk being mugged himself. The old "anywhere will do " method.
Think last home cup game v Burnley . Gave it to left back who had nowhere to go so he got it back and gave it straight back ! Knocking it for a corner , Burnley almost scored. The ball on was stone to right in space.
Again last night Bravo just wanted shot so he was in clear and truly stitched up young zinchenko.......I thought senior players were supposed to protect and help the young........
Watched a different game to me last night and v Burnley then.
Blue Elvis
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I hadn't / haven't read the whole thread but it was good to see someone raise the point. Mangala was put in a difficult position because he had limited options but he also has limitations as a player. Without reviewing the situation again, I'm not sure if he could have given the ball back to Stones or turned and gone back to Bravo. Maybe his best bet was to try and run the ball out but he chose to try and pass (this being a Pep team) and that meant playing the ball at a narrow angle, which the Bristol player was able to block. Shit will happen when you play like this and it doesn't and won't just happen to Mangala - just wait until Eddie presents the ball to an oncoming striker who plops it into an open net!
Mangala also had some struggles when given the ball in other tight situations but I'm not sure there was too much wrong with his defending; I know he made plenty of clearances.
I thought Stones was a little unlucky on the penalty offence in the sense that I felt he was very close to getting the ball - may even have got a very faint touch - and so, whilst he took the wrong decision, I can see why he thought he could make the tackle.
Let's hope the incident will be useful experience for both our CB's.
IMO , Mangala (who stepped up to play although still wearing a mask to protect his injury) made mistakes but so did every other player (some made more mistakes than Mangala!!). He certainly made more clearances than any other defender.
Defensively we were poor but that was across the whole team not just the back four and keeper.
When the forwards and midfielders are on their game defensively, our back four and keeper have less to do and look better. This wasn't the case last night and it was a problem in the Wolves game also.
In his programme notes Pep highlighted that against Burnley " John Stones made a mistake...but that is not the problem. The key factor is how he responded. He didn't let his head go down. That is the way this club will continue to make steps forward over the next years."
IMO I think Pep would prefer us as fans to get behind the players after their mistakes and not castigate them (like some did with Sane also after his errors against Burnley) . Some of the comments about Mangala are ridiculous and are quite clearly from people who weren't even at the game.Watching it on TV just doesn't give you the whole picture .
We win as a team, we draw as a team, we lose as a team. It's the Pep philosophy. If supporters can't buy into it they can always go watch ManUre instead and join the other rags who always see the faults in others but not in themselves.
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Dave Ewing's Back 'eader
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Then surely your last line completely blows all your other posts out of the water?????
You say other players can play as a 9 and score goals, but as soon as one does then you complain as it doesn't work as well. If Aguero can't be rested at home against a Championship side then we have no chance playing without him or Jesus away at Anfield.
Stones was in the red zone, hence the muscular injury. The red zone affects that, not ACL/MCL's. It's why there was a 46% increase in soft muscle injuries across the PL in December from November.
Ah, I see, now!
dickie davies
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He's not a terrible defender. He's not a good footballerAgreed - He hacked at everything, a complete £32 million pound liability. Truly dreadful defender.
I'd even have JF Evans than this guy.
There is a difference
OB1
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If you look at the incident when Mangala (stupidly) gave the ball away, the thing which sums him up for me, is not the giveaway, it's his instant reaction to it.
Looking from the side, I saw that & thought 'dickhead, ok, sort it out'. Not 'oh shit they are going to score'. I thought 'oh shit they are going to score' a second later, when I saw that Mangala's arse had gone instantly, when he gave away the ball, & was now fouling the bloke (but not properly fouling him, enough to actually stop him) & half running, but not fully comitting himself to sprinting. His brain had gone & he had no fucking idea, what he was doing.
Exactly the same, as several times v Wolves, vs some other bloke we have never heard of.
Neither fouling the guy & stopping him, nor running to get in front of him & defend, just grasping at him, like a drowning man.
He can't handle playing at this level.
I think his main issue is a mental one but I don't think he is stupid by any means; which makes it very frustrating.