deano ou812
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Still wasnt clear cut for me but there you go,it’s all about opinions..
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I'm an Aussie and I think it was a penalty. And Risdon definitely touched the ball. And as sure as he faintly touched the ball he made enough contact with Griezmann to cause him to go down even if it was "soft" and he played it up a bit.
IMO the ball wasn't cleared or it's course altered enough to ensure the attacker didn't have a realistic chance to take control of the ball. As evidenced by Griezmann knocking it forward. Although he was never going to get it before the keeper his progress was clearly stopped so it had to be a penalty. If the ball was moved by Risdon even half a metre and therefore no longer able to be controlled by Griezmann it's no penalty for me. Which as many posters have already said just goes to show VAR still allows much room for individual interpretation. Grey areas will be with us forever.
For what it's worth I think VAR should be implemented wherever possible as I've seen more horrific challenges and clear penalties denied or waved off ridiculously this season than most others I can remember. Makes our achievements in the league even more remarkable. And VAR really is for those howlers. Not that VAR will always get it right.
IMO the ball wasn't cleared or it's course altered enough to ensure the attacker didn't have a realistic chance to take control of the ball. As evidenced by Griezmann knocking it forward. Although he was never going to get it before the keeper his progress was clearly stopped so it had to be a penalty. If the ball was moved by Risdon even half a metre and therefore no longer able to be controlled by Griezmann it's no penalty for me. Which as many posters have already said just goes to show VAR still allows much room for individual interpretation. Grey areas will be with us forever.
For what it's worth I think VAR should be implemented wherever possible as I've seen more horrific challenges and clear penalties denied or waved off ridiculously this season than most others I can remember. Makes our achievements in the league even more remarkable. And VAR really is for those howlers. Not that VAR will always get it right.
deano ou812
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Yeah agree,but if they want to fuck certain teams over or assist certain teams then they can turn a blind eye either way with looking at decisions or not with var..Have to say had my doubts about VAR but it’s the future and it will become more streamlined when more referees get up to speed with it! Think that’s why it didn’t get voted in for this season in the premier they want the referees to train all season for it.
If they don’t vote it in for next season I will smell something very fishy by the clubs who without VAR want benifit as much.
Neville Kneville
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Again, there are arguments for it being a pen or not being a pen, so v.a.r. could determine either outcome & be 'right'.
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They check with VAR on every goal.They have checked with VAR on the open play goal. So you have to wait for the VAR to confirm before you can fully celebrate the goal?
Not a pen for France in my book btw
The slight delay was the goal line decision system.
Neville Kneville
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I'm an Aussie and I think it was a penalty. And Risdon definitely touched the ball. And as sure as he faintly touched the ball he made enough contact with Griezmann to cause him to go down even if it was "soft" and he played it up a bit.
IMO the ball wasn't cleared or it's course altered enough to ensure the attacker didn't have a realistic chance to take control of the ball. As evidenced by Griezmann knocking it forward. Although he was never going to get it before the keeper his progress was clearly stopped so it had to be a penalty. If the ball was moved by Risdon even half a metre and therefore no longer able to be controlled by Griezmann it's no penalty for me. Which as many posters have already said just goes to show VAR still allows much room for individual interpretation. Grey areas will be with us forever.
For what it's worth I think VAR should be implemented wherever possible as I've seen more horrific challenges and clear penalties denied or waved off ridiculously this season than most others I can remember. Makes our achievements in the league even more remarkable. And VAR really is for those howlers. Not that VAR will always get it right.
The question is, whether we get those decisions even with v.a.r. & if we do, whether Mo Salah then gets a totally dodgy one at the other end, to even it out.
If it can be done without being bent, & it is done quickly, then there is no problem with it.
I don't trust the people involved, to implement it fairly.
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Exactly this.With var we will get more things right then wrong so it’s a good thing
Was a correct decision. And so long as they get more right than wrong then it’s a good thing.
The very fact united and Liverpool voted against it in the Prem tells you all you need to know.
The question is, whether we get those decisions even with v.a.r. & if we do, whether Mo Salah then gets a totally dodgy one at the other end, to even it out.
If it can be done without being bent, & it is done quickly, then there is no problem with it.
I don't trust the people involved, to implement it fairly.
I'm with you there 100%. Like those officials for the CL matches behind the goal line. Literally 5 feet from Raz being brought down as clear as day and interpreted as nothing. Dodgy bastards.
Yeah agree,but if they want to fuck certain teams over or assist certain teams then they can turn a blind eye either way with looking at decisions or not with var..
When something is obvious they be called out on it but yeah get what you mean.
squirtyflower
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This, any way they vote I’m always suspicious of their motivesExactly this.
Was a correct decision. And so long as they get more right than wrong then it’s a good thing.
The very fact united and Liverpool voted against it in the Prem tells you all you need to know.
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Still wasnt clear cut for me but there you go,it’s all about opinions..
As long as it is for the Ref that is all that matters. Without VAR most of the time making a clear cut decision especially penalty’s can be impossible.
Fame Monster
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The rules need to be rewritten, simple as that.
For me, that penalty awarded to Griezmann is the worst decision I've ever seen and it cost Australia the game. But for some, it was a penalty including the VAR officials.
So the law needs to be rewritten to decide whether:
Is all contact that doesn't touch the ball a penalty?
Or;
Does the contact have to actually significantly impede the player?
In the Griezmann case, I don't think it's a penalty under either condition but there are a lot of soft penatlies awarded that meet the first condition but not the second condition. The authorities need to come and out and simply say whether contact is allowed in football or not.
For me, that penalty awarded to Griezmann is the worst decision I've ever seen and it cost Australia the game. But for some, it was a penalty including the VAR officials.
So the law needs to be rewritten to decide whether:
Is all contact that doesn't touch the ball a penalty?
Or;
Does the contact have to actually significantly impede the player?
In the Griezmann case, I don't think it's a penalty under either condition but there are a lot of soft penatlies awarded that meet the first condition but not the second condition. The authorities need to come and out and simply say whether contact is allowed in football or not.
The rules need to be rewritten, simple as that.
For me, that penalty awarded to Griezmann is the worst decision I've ever seen and it cost Australia the game. But for some, it was a penalty including the VAR officials.
So the law needs to be rewritten to decide whether:
Is all contact that doesn't touch the ball a penalty?
Or;
Does the contact have to actually significantly impede the player?
In the Griezmann case, I don't think it's a penalty under either condition but there are a lot of soft penatlies awarded that meet the first condition but not the second condition. The authorities need to come and out and simply say whether contact is allowed in football or not.
Hyperbole much?
Neville Kneville
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Absolute fucking joke.
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The very definition of it.Hyperbole much?
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The pen that wasn’t given?Absolute fucking joke.
Neville Kneville
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The pen that wasn’t given?
They are already picking and choosing which decisions they look at.
It's fucking bollocks.
They are already picking and choosing which decisions they look at.
It's fucking bollocks.
They watch every decision
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Yep. Certainly seemed an obvious error to me.They are already picking and choosing which decisions they look at.
It's fucking bollocks.
One can only hope the system improves as officials get used to it.
Neville Kneville
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Yep. Certainly seemed an obvious error to me.
One can only hope the system improves as officials get used to it.
There would be no problem if normal people were operating it, rather than the utter wankers who actually operate it.