World Cup VAR

[cleavers]

Apart from it wasn't. The ref was just waiting until the player got himself to his feet

You don't really believe that do you ? Someone had has a word in his ear, not that this is new, its been happening for a while now in the PL.

Just watching the rugby version of VAR, it works, and it works because everyone is aware of what is happening, nothing is hidden from view, not the players, not the paying public, not the commentators or pundits. It has to go that way to work successfully, and there be to be no suspicions that decisions are being made in favour of certain teams/bodies.

Its had some good and some bad in the last few days, the ref that changed his mind yesterday being the best, because it was a shit decision first time. One thing it is highlighting, is how some of these decision are very tight, even with help.

The ref in the Germany game tonight, clearly didn't want help, its the second game he's done, and the second time he's not given something he should have reviewed.

 

[Hart of the Matter]

Apart from it wasn't. The ref was just waiting until the player got himself to his feet

Bollocks

 

[BlueHammer85]

You don't really believe that do you ? Someone had has a word in his ear, not that this is new, its been happening for a while now in the PL.

Just watching the rugby version of VAR, it works, and it works because everyone is aware of what is happening, nothing is hidden from view, not the players, not the paying public, not the commentators or pundits. It has to go that way to work successfully, and there be to be no suspicions that decisions are being made in favour of certain teams/bodies.

Its had some good and some bad in the last few days, the ref that changed his mind yesterday being the best, because it was a shit decision first time. One thing it is highlighting, is how some of these decision are very tight, even with help.

The ref in the Germany game tonight, clearly didn't want help, its the second game he's done, and the second time he's not given something he should have reviewed.

Again. What specific decisions has the ref gone to VAR and given a decision which the fans and viewers are unaware of ?

 

[cleavers]

Again. What specific decisions has the ref gone to VAR and given a decision which the fans and viewers are unaware of ?

I doubt anyone, in any of the stadiums has had a clue until something changes, and right there is the point for me.

 

[aguero93:20]

You don't really believe that do you ? Someone had has a word in his ear, not that this is new, its been happening for a while now in the PL.

Just watching the rugby version of VAR, it works, and it works because everyone is aware of what is happening, nothing is hidden from view, not the players, not the paying public, not the commentators or pundits. It has to go that way to work successfully, and there be to be no suspicions that decisions are being made in favour of certain teams/bodies.

Its had some good and some bad in the last few days, the ref that changed his mind yesterday being the best, because it was a shit decision first time. One thing it is highlighting, is how some of these decision are very tight, even with help.

The ref in the Germany game tonight, clearly didn't want help, its the second game he's done, and the second time he's not given something he should have reviewed.

Watch the end of the Australia Ireland game today and you'll see a rugby referee trying to abuse VAR/TMO. It's less open to abuse than refereeing without VAR and more accurate. He wanted a reason to give a decision he knew was wrong and knew he couldn't give it without referring to the TMO, the TMO couldn't give it without clear and obvious evidence and ran him.

 

[cleavers]

Watch the end of the Australia Ireland game today and you'll see a rugby referee trying to abuse VAR/TMO.

I'm not sure why you would try and abuse it when its as open as in rugby ?

knew he couldn't give it without referring to the TMO, the TMO couldn't give it without clear and obvious evidence and ran him.

I'm not sure what you mean at the end of that sentence ?

(Oh and just for clarity for our west ham viewer, I'm in favour of it being brought into football, but its needs some changes in my opinion.)

 

[aguero93:20]

I'm not sure why you would try and abuse it when its as open as in rugby ?


I'm not sure what you mean at the end of that sentence ?

I told you, he knew he was wrong yet went to VAR/TMO hoping to get a decision. It was a ball thrown straight out of play by Australia on a red clock and he was looking for a marginal knock on by Ireland that didn't happen and wouldn't have been deliberate if it happened.

He was ran, ie told to fuck off. TMO explained very clearly that there was no clear and obvious evidence so outside his mandate and then overruled him on making Ireland take a lineout by rightly telling him the clock was red and the game over.

 

[cleavers]

He was ran, ie told to fuck off.

Thanks, it was the "ran him" comment that I didn't understand.

 

[stonerblue]

LOL!!

Justice! VAR fooks over Neymar, the soft bas'tad!

It didn't though did it? Scandalous dive goes unpunished, he stays on pitch and scores the winner.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Bollocks

it was confirmed to be the case

 

[BerkshireBlue]

Which player? The one that was fouled? Boateng was up straight away waving his finger,

The injured one. First protocol for the ref is for the injured player's safety then red cards. This was confirmed

 

[BlueHammer85]

The injured one. First protocol for the ref is for the injured player's safety then red cards. This was confirmed

Yep. Ref did the right thing.

 

[Neville Kneville]

They gave v.a.r. credit yesterday, for not interfering after the ref correctly gave Belgium a pen.

Yes it worked again, just as if it wasn't there at all.

 

[crazyg]

You don't really believe that do you ? Someone had has a word in his ear, not that this is new, its been happening for a while now in the PL.

Just watching the rugby version of VAR, it works, and it works because everyone is aware of what is happening, nothing is hidden from view, not the players, not the paying public, not the commentators or pundits. It has to go that way to work successfully, and there be to be no suspicions that decisions are being made in favour of certain teams/bodies.

Its had some good and some bad in the last few days, the ref that changed his mind yesterday being the best, because it was a shit decision first time. One thing it is highlighting, is how some of these decision are very tight, even with help.

The ref in the Germany game tonight, clearly didn't want help, its the second game he's done, and the second time he's not given something he should have reviewed.

"Alty" Anthony Taylor in the City v Chelsea match springs readily to mind. In that instance, however, it was NOT to send off Luiz, even though he had his whistle to his mouth and his hand going for the red card. Just "game management" I suppose.

 

[Marvin]

Aspects of VAR I like:

Correcting obvious cheating. Overturning that pen for Neymar's swan dive was brilliant
Seem to be getting more correct penalty decisions

Aspects I don't like

Refs bottling decisions now
Why aren't they reviewing holding in the box. Seems to have got much worse
Players and coach now dispute everything. I can see teams like Utd getting more decisions because their protests carry more weight

Overall: Think it should only be used for black and white decisions such as offsides, in or outside the box etc. The other decisions where judgement is an issue are often not clear cut so might as well just go with refs gut instinct anyway. Maybe introduce gradually into the game

 

[Hart of the Matter]

it was confirmed to be the case

Lmfao. BINGO. Yeah right.... by who? I heard it on the commentary as well. The fact they had to make a comment shows how dodgy it was. The fact you believe the 'official' lame justification shows that VAR will work to manipulate the gulable masses of which you and others on here obviously belong to.

 

[Bigga]

It didn't though did it? Scandalous dive goes unpunished, he stays on pitch and scores the winner.

I absolutely agree and I think Neymar should have been booked, but that's the power he holds over officials.

Much like Fake Ronaldo.

 

[SpiritofBurnden]

The whole point of VAR is that it should correct incorrect decisions to eliminate inconsistencies.

However there are still way too many inconsistencies.

Some clear and obvious errors are not being referred, whilst some errors that are neither clear or obvious, are.

 

[Bigga]

Lmfao. BINGO. Yeah right.... by who? I heard it on the commentary as well. The fact they had to make a comment shows how dodgy it was. The fact you believe the 'official' lame justification shows that VAR will work to manipulate the gulable masses of which you and others on here obviously belong to.

You are aware that commentators hold opinion just like everyone else?

Should we take everything they say as clear and concise? Do you nod your head vigorously to everything Lawrenson says?

If the commentators sound confused, it's because they don't know what the current VAR system is supposed to be doing, especially if the ref plays their own game of 'listen/ don't listen' to what the advice is.

The reason why you can't use rugby VAR interpretations in football is because the players are not disciplined to respect the ref.

The ref then feels under pressure and some want that control back, which is what we're seeing at times.

The system needs a combination of things to make it work, which has already been vaunted MA-NY times now.

 

[cleavers]

The reason why you can't use rugby VAR interpretations in football is because the players are not disciplined to respect the ref.

That is easily resolved by use of cards, do it for every offence for the first 5 games of the seasons, and they'll soon learn discipline. The South Korean skipper could have about 8 yellow cards alone yesterday for instance, once they start doing it, they won't be in the referees face.