UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%
  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%
  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%
  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%

  • Total voters
    1,499
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It is a good statement from the club which should give confidence that all will come out in the wash and an end to this pantomime is in sight one way or another.

I do have to seriously question the intelligence of those of our fans who take the view that they do not care and even welcome the prospect of us being kicked out of Europe. Go on exercise your brains for a moment.

Let us imagine UEFA kick us out for even one season. How wonderful it would be having just the three competitions to play in. Except it would be no such thing would it? Can anyone maybe come up with the reason why?? No well I am here to help.

Our manager and players would quite reasonably prefer to go and elsewhere to play in the Champions League because I absolutely guarantee Pep and every single one of the players hold a polar opposite view to those Blues who bleat on about how shite the CL is and unimportant. Missing European competition for even one season would be a major problem to them.

Sure if you dont wish to attend CL games and would prefer the challenge of trying to get double figures against Burton then fine each to their own. Lets however give some thought to those who know full well if we truly want to be on a par with the red twats either end of the east Lancs road then it is a competition we must win, If we want to continue having the likes of Laporte, Bernado, and so on wearing the Blue shirts of City then we must be challenging to win this competition every single season.

Yes UEFA are a bent set of twats no question, given this latest carry on a resumption of booing UEFA is justified but lets keep it real....without European competition even the Sheikh may loose interest, half the squad would not get games and very simply there would be all manner of consequences that could see severe damage done to Manchester City football club.

Whilst I totally agree with the disdain our fans hold UEFA with good reaason I also despair and wonder what the thought process is when concluding it would be just fine were there no CL involvement....What utter bollocks, You have not the sense you were born with.

The unfortunate truth is that if you want to continue to see a team that can and does win derbies, League titles and domestic cups for fun then the CL is like it or not vital to all the good things that have happened over the last decade continuing. So yes by all means call UEFA out, choose not to attend CL matches by all means Though I am sure Pep and the players would prefer you to give them your support, but please stop this fanciful ill thought out bollocks about how City do not need the CL....We do. I am sorry to say we need the CL more than it needs us after all our top players will go elsewhere to play in it should City not be taking part.
Spot on - top post
 
The truth is City have done nothing wrong.
UEFA keep shifting the goalposts but they themselves are on no terra firma. They are scared of getting dragged into a battle that will expose their own corruption. Mansour and Khaldoon know theyve got UEFA by the bollocks but UEFA have to tightrope act to make sure the Euro cartel and the gang of 12 are appeased. It's obvious that 'clear the way' compromise solution discussions, to resolve the impasse between UEFA, the establishment and Khaldoon, have already taken place between City and UEFA.
Game of charades in which City know their role. Branded as naughty pantomime villains but no really effective punishment but enough to allow the establishment maintain their airs and grace's of superior moral fibre.
Everyone is happy.

I’ve got 5 or 6 more pages to wade through. I hope to Christ one of the mods finally decides to fuck you off. Jesus
 
Ok right. Wouldn't be surprised then if the premier league gave a one year transfer ban just to appease the 12 group, and then a fine from UEFA to soothe the European establishment led by Bayern.
Im still catching up with this thread and have another 10 pages to go. I hope to read you have been banned for wumming before I get there, What a tit you are
 
Maybe I'm being gullable, if that's the right word, but Ferguson said over and over again he welcomed new challengers, whether that was Chelsea or yourselves he loved a good battle for supremacy.
That's just in his romantic fighting nature I guess.
You're probably right though, the suits will most likely take a more pragmatic view, focusing more on money and wanting to dominate without too much competition.

What about the now infamous letter to the PL on Arsenal headed paper signed by United, Spurs et al stating new money needed to be stopped?
 
I don't expect us to receive any punishment, whatsoever.

This has only ever been fuelled by rivals and those with an agenda.

They have now opened a can of worms and I welcome the entertainment which will come out of it.

I also expect the Club's coffers will be swelled even further by the lawsuits which will follow and for the reputational damage.

Be sorted before the season is done.
 
I'm a bit unsure on it. You're a legal man, so I'd be interested on your take on this.

Our initial statement made reference to "materials purported to be hacked or stolen from Manchester City... ".

Initially we weren't even acknowledging that the emails were genuine.

The latest statement makes reference to the "publication of City emails". We're essentially accepting that the emails are genuine.

Our defence is now following the line that they were published "out of context".

Having read the emails published in Der Speigel, I'm struggling to see what the context could possibly be other than the obvious?

I accept the "His Highness" comment could be taken out of context.

But the emails from Simon Pearce referring to ADUG paying certain sums on sponsors behalf. The spreadsheets with ADUG's contribution listed. I'm struggling to see what the context of that could possibly be, other than what it initially appears.

Our statement goes on to say "the club's published accounts are full and complete and a matter of legal and regulatory record".

This essentially says to me - City's accounts are legitimate, they've been independently audited. Which I'm sure is true.

The leaked emails clearly suggest ADUG (City's parent company at the time) was funding the sponsorship deals of Etihad, Aarbar etc.

I assume going off the IAS for Related Party Transactions, there is no issue with that, so City's accounts are still legitimate.

PBs assertion that the Etihad deal was judged fair value and so is fireproof seems to make sense.

But the other deals that were seemingly propped up - Aarbar, Etisalat etc were not judged as fair value.

But by the IAS definition, they are not considered Related Parties to Manchester City.

So the club's assertion that "the accusation of financial irregularities is entirely false" is again probably true in a legal sense.

It seems to me, the crux of this investigation is going to rest on whether UEFA can prove Aarbar, Etisalat etc are related parties.

City's defence will be, by IAS they are not.

UEFA's may well be that they have a different interpretation.

The tone of the statement to me seems to be suggesting that City have done what is being reported - essentially sponsoring ourselves. But that from a legal stand point we are confident we have done nothing wrong.

I would assume UEFA are unlikely to challenge that in a court. But they will probably have their nose put out of joint that we have not followed the "spirit" of the rules.

My concern is they will not want to be made a fool of and will want to take some kind of action against City in order to save face. I wouldn't put it past them to invent yet more bullshit arbitrary rules like a "failure to uphold the spirit of FFP and fully respect the superiority of UEFA 'Legacy' Clubs" Annex.

Just to clarify, I think FFP is an absolute joke and is anti-competitive and should be thrown out.

But it does appear to me that City have walked a very precarious tightrope to try to get around them. My concern is that UEFA, the ECA, and seemingly 12 vested interest PL clubs will be baying for blood for some action to be taken.

City may well be in the clear from a legal standpoint. But if the last 10 years has taught us anything, it's that UEFA are not averse to making up their own rules as they go along.

Post of the thread, and the last sentence is the nub of the matter. A lot of people on here seem to be under the impression that because what City have done may not contravene the precise specifications of FFP as written, we are home and hosed. For me, they’re almost an irrelevance. This is the last and best chance our enemies (and I’m not talking about UEFA) have to get rid of us, not just for a season or two, but permanently. They will have already made their preferred decision clear to UEFA IMO and what the latter will be tasked with is coming up with a semi-credible vehicle to justify it. If that means inventing new bullshit about “the spirit of FFP” then I don’t doubt they will. Like you, I’m struggle to envisage a scenario, other than the obvious, in which those emails could have been taken out of context. These are utter bastards we’re dealing with. I don’t subscribe to the idea that UEFA will “investigate” this and then come up with a “nothing to see here” verdict, given the pressure on them from our rivals and the media. Court is where this ends for me, and that frankly is seldom more than a lottery. I hope we batter them
 
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