Machiavelli
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Bloody Sunday: Soldier F faces murder charges
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bluethrunthru
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1000’s of PMs. ;-)
1,000's?
Machiavelli
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Just kidding bud.1,000's?
bluethrunthru
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Just kidding bud.
so the conclusion is that all IRA fighters must stand trial but soldier F should be exempt from prosecution? Nobody challenged your conclusion so that would seem to be that.
Machiavelli
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I’m not sure about that. It is late so maybe somebody will respond tomorrow?so the conclusion is that all IRA fighters must stand trial but soldier F should be exempt from prosecution? Nobody challenged your conclusion so that would seem to be that.
I thought I’d ask whether those who are arguing for Soldier F feel ex forces personnel should be totally exempt from any potential punishment by virtue of them being a soldier and “only following orders” or if their issue was because the IRA members won’t face similar trials.
Tbh nobody knows the full facts yet so offering support or condemnation at this point may be a little premature.
bluethrunthru
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I’m not sure about that. It is late so maybe somebody will respond tomorrow?
I thought I’d ask whether those who are arguing for Soldier F feel ex forces personnel should be totally exempt from any potential punishment by virtue of them being a soldier and “only following orders” or if their issue was because the IRA members won’t face similar trials.
Tbh nobody knows the full facts yet so offering support or condemnation at this point may be a little premature.
I agree nobody knows the facts but these days thats no impediment to holding intractable views.
So if the IRA suspects were to be charged and brought to trial would the ex armed forces on here still disagree with soldier F facing potential punishment?
It seems you’re conflating two separate but related issues here.
It's a difficult one to answer as we know that suspects in IRA atrocities will not be brought to trial to face justice for their actions.
I'm under the impression that prosecutions only take place if it is in the public interest to do so. In the context of this matter, that means that prosecuting Soldier F is being viewed as such. However, prosecuting terrorists known to have committed atrocities isn't seen as in the public interest.
How can this possibly be right?
In a broader sense though, no, I don't think that HM Forces personnel should be excluded from the normal rules.
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Machiavelli
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Fair points. It seems the issues lie with the authorities, they decided the known IRA terrorists shouldn’t face no punishment for their actions and of course the authorities who gave the orders to Soldier F.It's a difficult one to answer as we.know that suspects in IRA atrocities will not be brought to trial to face justice for their actions.
I'm under he impression that prosecutions only take place if.it is in the public interest to do so. In the context of this matter, that means that prosecuting Soldier F is being viewed as such. However, ,prosecuting terrorists known to have committed atrocities isn't seen as in the public interest.
How can this possibly be right?
In a broader sense.though, no, I don't think that HM Forces personnel should be excluded from the normal rules.
bluethrunthru
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Fair points. It seems the issues lie with the authorities, they decided the known IRA terrorists shouldn’t face no punishment for their actions and of course the authorities who gave the orders to Soldier F.
kind of vindicates the Truth and Reconciliation Committee's in post Apartheid South Africa? Could have been a good idea. All truth out - cards on the table - no repercussions lets get to the truth and then move on..........a lot to be said for that approach.
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kind of vindicates the Truth and Reconciliation Committee's in post Apartheid South Africa? Could have been a good idea. All truth out - cards on the table - no repercussions lets get to the truth and then move on..........a lot to be said for that approach.
Correct.
And soldier F was offered the chance to do exactly that. Exactly that. Offer a full and completely honest account of his actions and put the matter to rest. But he was too arrogant to do so and chose instead to continue lying, no doubt sure of himself that "I was a Para, I'm immune"..
I have zero sympathy for him or the apologists for this brave murderer of unarmed civilians. I just prey that justice is served and he goes to gaol.
The four people responsible for the bombings have been named in the inquest today.
Names by an IRA member (Witness O) who says he has had permission to do this from the current IRA chief.
Three of them are deceased. The other one is still alive.
Witness O....
"Hayes, Hayes, I'll give it (the name) to you now. He can't be arrested. There is nobody going to be charged for this atrocity. The British Government have signed an agreement with the IRA."
What do you twats who' have said the prosecution of Soldier F isn't hypocritical have to say now?
Names by an IRA member (Witness O) who says he has had permission to do this from the current IRA chief.
Three of them are deceased. The other one is still alive.
Witness O....
"Hayes, Hayes, I'll give it (the name) to you now. He can't be arrested. There is nobody going to be charged for this atrocity. The British Government have signed an agreement with the IRA."
What do you twats who' have said the prosecution of Soldier F isn't hypocritical have to say now?
I have zero sympathy for him or the apologists for this brave murderer of unarmed civilians. I just prey that justice is served and he goes to gaol.
I hope you're praying that justice is served on the one Birmingham pub bomber who is still left alive.
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The four people responsible for the bombings have been named in the inquest today.
Names by an IRA member (Witness O) who says he has had permission to do this from the current IRA chief.
Three of them are deceased. The other one is still alive.
Witness O....
"Hayes, Hayes, I'll give it (the name) to you now. He can't be arrested. There is nobody going to be charged for this atrocity. The British Government have signed an agreement with the IRA."
What do you twats who' have said the prosecution of Soldier F isn't hypocritical have to say now?
Not one reply from our resident Armed Forces haters / terrorist sympathisers?
I am surprised.
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blueinsa
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Not one reply from our resident Armed Forces haters / terrorist sympathisers?
I am surprised.
I’m not.
Like a fucking cult following their masters Jezza and McDonnell.
Not one reply from our resident Armed Forces haters / terrorist sympathisers?
I am surprised.
I neither hate the armed forces nor sympathise with terrorists, so I would like to see both Soldier F and the accused Birmingham pub bomber prosecuted if there is sufficient evidence to justify it.
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Correct, I'm sure there can't be a poster on here that wouldn't want that.I neither hate the armed forces nor sympathise with terrorists, so I would like to see both Soldier F and the accused Birmingham pub bomber prosecuted if there is sufficient evidence to justify it.
The blue phantom
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Another Corbyn post, you never fuckin stop.I’m not.
Like a fucking cult following their masters Jezza and McDonnell.
I neither hate the armed forces nor sympathise with terrorists, so I would like to see both Soldier F and the accused Birmingham pub bomber prosecuted if there is sufficient evidence to justify it.
Wasn't aimed at you mate. But as you're well aware, Michael Hayes will never be brought to justice for the murder of innocent civilians. Why?.... well, apparently in the interests of peace in NI. Soldier F however, well that seems to be a different matter.
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Another Corbyn post, you never fuckin stop.
The fact you think it’s aimed at Corbyn says it all.
Wasn't aimed at you mate. But as you're well aware, Michael Hayes will never be brought to justice for the murder of innocent civilians. Why?.... well, apparently in the interests of peace in NI. Soldier F however, well that seems to be a different matter.
Yes, it is ridiculously inconsistent and can see why it has provoked outrage. Hopefully common sense will prevail and Hayes will be charged too (assuming he was one of the four responsible).