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urban genie said:
Sorry times I have editted.

And of course it is comparable as the momment the die spiegel article came out it was rebuked on here as bollcks, no roof, an agenda, before the club came out with any comment, so until official comment this is pure speculation that some on here take as fact because they dislike the leadership.

If it is confirmed or deffininately proved then yes call the **** out by all means.

Similar all week the word maxist has reapeared by news reporters every time corbyn is mentioned.
Sow the seed marxists marxists maxists everywhere.
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labour have confirmed the emails and are trying the out of context route. It’s pretty simple really you either denounce anti Semitic views or choose to ignore them because it suits your agenda. Well done for choosing the second option.
 
hilts said:
Our whole species can do better than people like this. Imagine using the death of children in this way. What sort of Uber **** does this?
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One that is ideologically indoctrinated beyond any sort of reason at all.

Some of them are absolute cretins.
 
hilts said:
labour have confirmed the emails and are trying the out of context route. It’s pretty simple really you either denounce anti Semitic views or choose to ignore them because it suits your agenda. Well done for choosing the second option.
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I didn't choose any option and don't try and insinuate I did.
My views on the subject are clear and on corbyn.


This was labours response




No names are named in the article and no actual quotes (I assume you have read the article).
The LP has acknowledged some. Leaks but counter that taking one line from a sentnce, as the time has done i the report distorts the full email.
So if the times have deffinative proof, publish the full email not one line that with no context could mean anything.

Strangely enough the month before the last 3 local elections the times has had an exclusive on antisemitism land on their desk.


I don't dispute there is problem with anti-semitism in parts of the labour movement.

I dispute the rupert murdock owned serial bullshitter paper the times is always honest.
 
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Ancient Citizen said:
That seed took root a while ago, it's thriving...

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Yeah he is a marxist, corbyn isn't though, he is too flouncy and pacafist to be a marxist.

Corbyn is a bennite, hence his euroscepticism, he is a socialist, but he ain't no hard left commie or marxist he's too soft for that.
 
urban genie said:
Yeah he is a marxist, corbyn isn't though, he is too flouncy and pacafist to be a marxist.

Corbyn is a bennite, hence his euroscepticism, he is a socialist, but he ain't no hard left commie or marxist he's too soft for that.
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That’s ok then.

So long as it’s only the chancellor being a Marxist and calling for public insurrection we will be fine.

Phew!
 
blueinsa said:
That’s ok then.

So long as it’s only the chancellor being a Marxist and calling for public insurrection we will be fine.

Phew!
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Come on now, you can hardly blame him for wanting to go back to the good ol' days. I mean, it was SO much better then...

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Maybe we could even go back to only working 3 days a week? It would surely be marvellous.
 
urban genie said:
I didn't choose any option and don't try and insinuate I did.
My views on the subject are clear and on corbyn.


This was labours response




No names are named in the article and no actual quotes (I assume you have read the article).
The LP has acknowledged some. Leaks but counter that taking one line from a sentnce, as the time has done i the report distorts the full email.
So if the times have deffinative proof, publish the full email not one line that with no context could mean anything.

Strangely enough the month before the last 3 local elections the times has had an exclusive on antisemitism land on their desk.


I don't dispute there is problem with anti-semitism in parts of the labour movement.

I dispute the rupert murdock owned serial bullshitter paper the times is always honest.
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I look forward to the full text being made public and legal action to follow that will clear this up.
 
I don't think Corbyn is an anti semite. His stance comes from incompetence.
1. Intellectual failure. His admirable support foe the Palestinians has led him to opposirion to Israel. Fine, but he conflates Israel with "the jews". His analysis owes a lot to the old "Rothchilds rule the world" meme that engages the old trad left.. But it owes just as much to wooly thinking: he is not one of the world's great intellectuals. He affects intellectual positions, but, frankly, he's a bit thick.
2 Organisational Incompetence. Simply he couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. His office appears to run rings round him, his advisors are not subject to rigorous questioning, he appears not to know exactly what is going on in his own party. He has no more command of the shadow cabinet than St. Theresa has of hers.
 
KS55 said:
I don't think Corbyn is an anti semite. His stance comes from incompetence.
1. Intellectual failure. His admirable support foe the Palestinians has led him to opposirion to Israel. Fine, but he conflates Israel with "the jews". His analysis owes a lot to the old "Rothchilds rule the world" meme that engages the old trad left.. But it owes just as much to wooly thinking: he is not one of the world's great intellectuals. He affects intellectual positions, but, frankly, he's a bit thick.
2 Organisational Incompetence. Simply he couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. His office appears to run rings round him, his advisors are not subject to rigorous questioning, he appears not to know exactly what is going on in his own party. He has no more command of the shadow cabinet than St. Theresa has of hers.
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Hard to disagree with this.

He is a puppet for momentum, that is all.
 
KS55 said:
I don't think Corbyn is an anti semite. His stance comes from incompetence.
1. Intellectual failure. His admirable support foe the Palestinians has led him to opposirion to Israel. Fine, but he conflates Israel with "the jews". His analysis owes a lot to the old "Rothchilds rule the world" meme that engages the old trad left.. But it owes just as much to wooly thinking: he is not one of the world's great intellectuals. He affects intellectual positions, but, frankly, he's a bit thick.
2 Organisational Incompetence. Simply he couldn't run a piss up in a brewery. His office appears to run rings round him, his advisors are not subject to rigorous questioning, he appears not to know exactly what is going on in his own party. He has no more command of the shadow cabinet than St. Theresa has of hers.
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Your first sentence and what you’ve written under “1.” are at odds.

What you have written means he is an antisemite.
 
Ban-jani said:
Your first sentence and what you’ve written under “1.” are at odds.

What you have written means he is an antisemite.
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I'm just saying that he does not really know his position because he has not thought about it deeply enough, and probably is not capable of doing so. I cant see him as an active hater. Maybe he is just, like t.he Webbs, a useful idiot.
 
KS55 said:
I'm just saying that he does not really know his position because he has not thought about it deeply enough, and probably is not capable of doing so. I cant see him as an active hater. Maybe he is just, like t.he Webbs, a useful idiot.
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If you ever notice when he tries to make peace he will only make peace with the people he agrees with, IE, Jews who hate Israel.

That I think proves he isn't anti-semitic but it also proves that he is willing to disregard the concerns of others unless they agree with him.

Intolerance is the true epidemic in Labour.
 
KS55 said:
I'm just saying that he does not really know his position because he has not thought about it deeply enough, and probably is not capable of doing so. I cant see him as an active hater. Maybe he is just, like t.he Webbs, a useful idiot.
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I don’t think he’s that stupid that he doesn’t know what antisemitism is/looks like completely but he has got it wrong without knowing I think.

Like that graffiti depicting rich men playing monopoly on a board above a load of people - my first thought was antisemitism but I think Corbyn just saw it as a pop at the rich. It was clear to me that the figures were clearly a Jewish stereotype and resembled Nazi propaganda.

You do have a point with his naivety and I don’t think he’s a full blown Jew hater but he does often let his views on the Israeli Palestine conflict get the better of him which is a worry, as it means he’s turning a blind eye to a major issue in the party.
 
Fair commen
Ban-jani said:
I don’t think he’s that stupid that he doesn’t know what antisemitism is/looks like completely but he has got it wrong without knowing I think.

Like that graffiti depicting rich men playing monopoly on a board above a load of people - my first thought was antisemitism but I think Corbyn just saw it as a pop at the rich. It was clear to me that the figures were clearly a Jewish stereotype and resembled Nazi propaganda.

You do have a point with his naivety and I don’t think he’s a full blown Jew hater but he does often let his views on the Israeli Palestine conflict get the better of him which is a worry, as it means he’s turning a blind eye to a major issue in the party.
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Fair comment.
 
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