Var debate 2019/20

I don't think VAR is a joke, it's just the idiot officials who look at it. The TV camera that was looking over the ref's shoulder clearly showed that he was only looking at the worst angle, while he IGNORED the angle right next to it that gave a much clearer picture.

Really frustrating that we got that penalty last week, but that goal yesterday stood. Llorente celebrating as if he just scored some magnificent goal absolutely did my head in.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Unfortunately, competence and integrity are well beyond UEFA’s capabilities.

The media also seem to be washing the controversies for the most part, mostly indicating both the handball and offside decisions were correct, even though both are dubious.

Can you imagine the media reaction if these same decisions had gone against Spurs?

Or — GASP — Liverpool?
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Surely refs and video team have a written method statement for its use?
I ask because improving their own rules is presumably the objective so implementing var should surely have its own rules?
 
Nails said:
Mate, the handball rules are different for attackers. According to a recent UEFA directive, ANY use of the arm, deliberate or accidental, means that a goal must be disallowed. Don't feel bad. Most of us on here didn't know this until last night/this morning. So, excuse us, if we're fucked off with being knocked out by a goal that shouldn't have been.
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Do you have any evidence of this directive?
 
i8rags said:
Couldn’t agree more, I’m fucking drained today coz of a massive high to a massive low, also embarrassing is the celebration which now feels ridiculous.
It’s beyond belief that a natural game played for over a century can be so influenced from afar. It’ll take about ten games next year before the penny drops that celebrating a goal will be pointless until it’s confirmed and then a few hurrahs are allowed.
Dead on its feet and lacking emotion football seriously will be killed
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100% correct , the match going fan is just there for background noise & wallpaper, neutrals are saying the game was brilliant excitement(till their teams get fucked over) & thats what this is all about ..turning a once live experience into a t.v soap opera for the neutral masses , the football equivalent of The Trueman Show .
 
All these people commenting on the VAR but us poor fuckers at the game sat there not having a clue what’s happening. Could learn a thing or two from rugby or cricket
 
Marvin said:
Does the referee get to view all the angles? If someone is manipulating which angles he sees that's really suspicious. I don't believe that is the case.

I believe they make best efforts to come to the right decision but it's a borderline process.

We can not be interrupting the game if we still have raging debates 24 hours later whether they got it right or not.
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UEFA have confirmed today that every camera angle is made available to the referee. BT actually showed the screen from over the referees shoulder last night and he was never shown the camera angle which proves handball despite reviewing the other two angles multiple times.

The angle either wasn’t made available to the referee or he chose not to view it, either way it’s bent as fuck and if anyone wants 100% proof there it is. On top of the camera not being available at Shalke, the change in the handball rule midway through a game and the refusal to go to VAR for encroachment last week is just ridiculous. It’s so predictable and premeditated, I told everyone at the start of the season and you’ll still get people on here saying it evens out over a season.
 
SilverFox2 said:
The problem is the frame rate not the number of pixels in each frame.
Unless the camera equipment increases the frame rate slo mo is guessed rather than recorded is it not?
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Yes it is all to do with frame rates.
But when sports TV providers advertise in slow motion, where you can see in game footage of players kicking balls in UHD slow motion.
Surely that match was filmed at a higher frame rate, so it can be done.
Are they breaking any advertisement laws?
 
cleavers said:
I'd just like to agree with this, whatever we think of VAR, he was very good, and played his part in a great football match.
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Couple of soft 50/50's went their way,and he managed to stop a couple of our attacks by blowing up too early and physically getting in the way of another.....but,overall,an 8/10 performance.
 
UEFA has defended the role of the VAR in Wednesday’s Champions League quarter-final second leg at the Etihad Stadium, saying that all angles of Fernando Llorente’s goal were made available to on-field referee Cuneyt Cakir. [Telegraph]

Well I dont think it should have been taken away but this is a lie everyone could have seen the ref only saw one angle and that was slo-mo back and forward it wasnt different angle.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Surely refs and video team have a written method statement for its use?
I ask because improving their own rules is presumably the objective so implementing var should surely have its own rules?
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You would expect referees to go through images systematically, rather like the cricket umpires do, and then rule evidence out/in as they deem fit. Ultimately, they can then decide on the most convincing images and watch those until satisfied. Currently, however, it looks ad hoc and, thus, mistakes are inevitable.

Saying that all the images were available is certainly not the same as saying the referee viewed all the images available.
 
I get all the arguments and I’m fucked off but one things for certain they ain’t gonna overturn so thatd that we move on and hammer the bastards on Saturday ..
 
Damanino said:
UEFA has defended the role of the VAR in Wednesday’s Champions League quarter-final second leg at the Etihad Stadium, saying that all angles of Fernando Llorente’s goal were made available to on-field referee Cuneyt Cakir. [Telegraph]

Well I dont think it should have been taken away but this is a lie everyone could have seen the ref only saw one angle and that was slo-mo back and forward it wasnt different angle.
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So effectively they are blaming their own ref for not doing his job properly - would they be paying a fine to City.
 
Damanino said:
UEFA has defended the role of the VAR in Wednesday’s Champions League quarter-final second leg at the Etihad Stadium, saying that all angles of Fernando Llorente’s goal were made available to on-field referee Cuneyt Cakir. [Telegraph]

Well I dont think it should have been taken away but this is a lie everyone could have seen the ref only saw one angle and that was slo-mo back and forward it wasnt different angle.
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Saying all the images were made available isn't the same as saying the referee looked at all the different angles and the question has to be why didn't he?
 
warringtonblue said:
All these people commenting on the VAR but us poor fuckers at the game sat there not having a clue what’s happening. Could learn a thing or two from rugby or cricket
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Problem is, and this isn't me slagging either, but rugby and cricket are games that stop/start as part of their play.
Completely different to football, I was all in favour of VAR until last night, whether decissions are right or wrong, not taking the spontanous emotion out of the game is worth the odd ref fuck up imho.
 
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Damanino said:
UEFA has defended the role of the VAR in Wednesday’s Champions League quarter-final second leg at the Etihad Stadium, saying that all angles of Fernando Llorente’s goal were made available to on-field referee Cuneyt Cakir. [Telegraph]

Well I dont think it should have been taken away but this is a lie everyone could have seen the ref only saw one angle and that was slo-mo back and forward it wasnt different angle.
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UEFA lieing , no way ....the birds are singing , there’s a blue sky & all the bad men live far away....
 
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