Var debate 2019/20

Metalartin said:
Wait read my edit... Shaka Hislop IFAB... says no goal. For me anyway Dermot Gallagher's take is the most revealing. I don't get why you want to insist it was good call though... is it to do with not letting Pep off the hook or something? Why the insistence? Surely you don't think he gained no advantage there?
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I don’t think it was a good call. As will be the case next season it will be ruled out, and that’s how it should be. I do think the decision reflects the letter of the law as it is this season tho. Or at least how UEFA say the law should be interpreted. But then saying all that, the fact we all disagree for various reasons suggests you could well be right!

Do think the offside was worst of the two tho, but then loads of people are saying that was right.

Who knows?!?
 
Henkeman said:
I know I'm horrifically old fashioned. A dinosaur. Out of touch. But I rather don't mind the ref fucking up. It's normal. I do mind the new improved, vastly improved decision making system fucking up. Again.

So shoot me.
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So if the refs keep fucking up and letting Liverpool win the league through offside goals and dives and we get screwed with a dodgy penalty against the rags you're reaction will be 'I rather don't mind the ref fucking up'? Fair play if so.

The good news is if VAR was in use this season we would be about 20 points clear of 2nd place.
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
I don’t think it was a good call. As will be the case next season it will be ruled out, and that’s how it should be. I do think the decision reflects the letter of the law as it is this season tho. Or at least how UEFA say the least should be interpreted. But then saying all that, the fact we all disagree for various reasons suggests you could well be right!

Do think the offside was worst of the two tho, but then kids of people are saying that was right.

Who knows?!?
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The letter of the law is for blocking goal bound shots in your own box though. Scoring a goal by bundling it in with your arm and blocking a shot are two vastly different situations, so why wouldn't they treat them as such? There has always been a general consensus as Dermot says. They have never really been clearly defined for handball goals but consensus has always been that you cannot gain an advantage with the use of the arm at all. Next season, rather than change anything will be spelling it out to settle the quibbles.

Fair enough anyway I may have misread some of what you said.
 
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@BluePhil8 said:
So if the refs keep fucking up and letting Liverpool win the league through offside goals and dives and we get screwed with a dodgy penalty against the rags you're reaction will be 'I rather don't mind the ref fucking up'? Fair play if so.

The good news is if VAR was in use this season we would be about 20 points clear of 2nd place.
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You really believe they’re going to use VAR to help us ? Like last night ?
 
Metalartin said:

So that confirms BT were in control of the angles shown to the ref. As well as the fact that they didn't give him the angles they should have... They showed the same angle 3 times it look like to me. They also assert that you are not allowed to gain an advantage with the use of the hand in a goalscoring opportunity, deliberate or not. The ball changes direction.

Something is very wrong when BT Sports are controlling outcome of the game. We need to make some noise about this, I'd love us to sue the bastards or at least have them investigated to prove they deprived the ref of an important angle deliberately.

They did something similar last season with the Sterling penalty incident at Anfield. That was more about downplaying the robbery for the masses to hype Liverpool up, this time they are influencing the refs.

I don't want VAR in the PL anymore if they or Sky have control that's for sure.
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BT control a lot more than the average footy fan think they do.
For any hard working City fan working up to 60 hours a week ..to watch this Pot of Corruption. ..."I PITY THE FOOL"
David Bowie.
 
@BluePhil8 said:
So if the refs keep fucking up and letting Liverpool win the league through offside goals and dives and we get screwed with a dodgy penalty against the rags you're reaction will be 'I rather don't mind the ref fucking up'? Fair play if so.

The good news is if VAR was in use this season we would be about 20 points clear of 2nd place.
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Or, the shambles of footballing governing bodies will (1) use different interpretations in different competitions and (2) rely on shit technology to give offsides if a strikers toe appears to be offside based on video footage that isn’t sensitive enough to be definitive

I don’t think that’s an improvement tbh
 
Metalartin said:
The letter of the law is for blocking goal bound shots in your own box though. Scoring a goal by bundling it in with your arm and blocking a shot are two vastly different situations, so why wouldn't they treat them as such? There has always been a general consensus as Dermot says. They have never really been clearly defined for handball goals but consensus has always been that you cannot gain an advantage with the use of the arm at all. Next season rather than change anything will be spelling it out to settle the quibbles.

Fair enough anyway I may have misread some of what you said.
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Nah it’s all good mate, fact we can give considered views of the same incident and come to totally different conclusions just shows what a farce it all is. Billion pound game/industry too. Awful
 
@BluePhil8 said:
So if the refs keep fucking up and letting Liverpool win the league through offside goals and dives and we get screwed with a dodgy penalty against the rags you're reaction will be 'I rather don't mind the ref fucking up'? Fair play if so.

The good news is if VAR was in use this season we would be about 20 points clear of 2nd place.
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I will believe that when I see VAR decisions going in our favour instead of being used to screw us.
 
ballinio said:
You really believe they’re going to use VAR to help us ? Like last night ?
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I can understand your frustration mate, but we did have VAR to help us last week at spurs but unfortunately we couldn't take advantage as Sergio had his shot saved.
 
gavvo said:
I will believe that when I see VAR decisions going in our favour instead of being used to screw us.
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As I've replied to ballinio we did have a VAR decision go for us at spurs but unfortunately Sergio had his pen saved, early days yet we will see how it goes
 
lonestay said:
We can argue handball, we can argue offside what I would like to know is if Rashford , Bobby Firminho or the diving pharaoh had scored that winning goal or Messi had just "won" it for Barca what would VAR had seen then ? Think we know the answer to that .
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Or Hong Kong fuey who is almost as untouchable as the DP (diving pharaoh)
 
deafmanstevo said:
I can understand your frustration mate, but we did have VAR to help us last week at spurs but unfortunately we couldn't take advantage as Sergio had his shot saved.
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VAR will ruin the game , the flow , the passion of scoring a goal will be gone forever , a man in a caravan or studio will decide the match & decide wheather I can celebrate a goal or not , the trade off is not worth the changes it will bring .
 
deafmanstevo said:
As I've replied to ballinio we did have a VAR decision go for us at spurs but unfortunately Sergio had his pen saved, early days yet we will see how it goes
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Let me rephrase it. I guess I will change my view if we ever win a game or qualify for the next round of something purely as a result of VAR, where the decisions are still debated for days afterwards, because the original decisions were certainly not clear and obvious errors.
 
VAR is an abomination. It adds another layer of incompetence on top of existing layers of incompetence. It adds more dubious decisions an top of already dubious decisions. It doubles the claims of bias/corruption. On top of that it kills the thrill of your team scoring a goal. If you wanted to invent something to kill the beautiful game of football, it would be VAR.
 
I do tend to think the killing the moment for the fans might be what does for VAR in its present form. Not because UEFA give a flying fuck about the supporters, but because in three years time the fans politely applaud a late winner while waiting for the review. This is a TV disaster. Fans have far more power than they ever realise. But it's like herding cats.

No matter, this is the main problem with it. Not the fairness or otherwise - the casual viewer who pays for it all doesn't give a shit - but the potential loss of atmosphere from the poor saps who pay to go.

Irony. You lot who go to every match, you're decoration. Use that though.
 
ballinio said:
VAR will ruin the game , the flow , the passion of scoring a goal will be gone forever , a man in a caravan or studio will decide the match & decide wheather I can celebrate a goal or not , the trade off is not worth the changes it will bring .
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Yeah I agree with you I thought I would like VAR I went crazy last night when sterling scored, hugged my son hugged the woman next to me, who wasn't my wife but it was all in vain , ah well never mind let's go for the league and FA cuo
 
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