urban genie
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Var debate 2019/20
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It was last night, we can
SB Blue
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The Aguero goal gets ruled out by VAR at ANY GROUND IN WORLD FOOTBALL. Get a grip.
It’s clearly offside and isn’t subjective.
Has anyone seen the official VAR offside picture? Can’t see it posted? Watching on BEIN sports I found it odd that they showed this for the dippers first goal at halftime to show Mane was onside, all the Aguero ones were just freeze frames with no lines. Seemed such a tight call considering Aguero was coming away from goal
Gabriel
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Is it not more likely that BT send the footage for review to adjudicators and they send that to the refs screen. Meaning it was still BT choosing the angles?
No idea. However, the fact that nobody seems to know the answer is concern enough for me. Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that there are twenty camera angles of the game, well the viewer (in the ground or elsewhere) should know that there are that many angles and that they have all been taken into consideration when making a decision. Last night, UEFA dropped one, and no club, not even Spurs, should shrug that off with 'it is what it is', as it will only happen again.
I hope everyone who wanted VAR in is happy. No VAR. we win that amazing game with an unbelievable last min goal.
Officialdom incompetence pure and simple , many camera angles to look at all of which must be made available to the VAR ref.
No more should we see a ref have to look at a replay that shows very little of what actually happened , leave it up to VAR.
Take a leaf out of cricket or NFL FFS , this incident and many others should make it obvious why the decision should be taken out of the hands of the person officiating the game.
The Northern Baptist
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Has anyone seen the official VAR offside picture? Can’t see it posted? Watching on BEIN sports I found it odd that they showed this for the dippers first goal at halftime to show Mane was onside, all the Aguero ones were just freeze frames with no lines. Seemed such a tight call considering Aguero was coming away from goal
It was offside. As much as we want Aguero to be onside he was a fraction off.
Gabriel
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Even if he had been shown that angle confirming it hit his hand first, would he have given it as handball? By the laws of the game is that hand ball?
I suspect it would have been ruled out. I had only seen the other angles, those initially shown, and had resigned myself to it being a legitimate goal. IN the sobering morning and even in the heat of the moment, that one angle shows it should have been ruled out. It's not bad luck but a poorly managed and poorly explained system.
Why can't we hear the ref and the var official at this time? That would clear up a few of the conspiracy theories. Also, make sure the ref sees at least 3 camera angles of the goal.
Now i've seen the other camera angle we have been robbed of a fair decision.
Sick to see it and know it wasn't seen by the ref. Bit like Henry's hand ball for the French against Ireland. Feeling as bad as they must have felt.
Now i've seen the other camera angle we have been robbed of a fair decision.
Sick to see it and know it wasn't seen by the ref. Bit like Henry's hand ball for the French against Ireland. Feeling as bad as they must have felt.
This game was lost last week. Pep is a great manager but he fucked up big time . Rather win the league tbh but that is going to be difficult as well so maybe we might have to settle for 2 domestics this season . When you concede 3 goals at home you don’t deserve to go through truth be told
Gabriel
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Officialdom incompetence pure and simple , many camera angles to look at all of which must be made available to the VAR ref.
No more should we see a ref have to look at a replay that shows very little of what actually happened , leave it up to VAR.
Take a leaf out of cricket or NFL FFS , this incident and many others should make it obvious why the decision should be taken out of the hands of the person officiating the game.
But surely the point is that the referee made the correct call based on the angle(s) he was repeatedly shown. It wasn't his incompetence that led to the wrong decision but that of those who disregarded (assuming they had access to that one angle) the view of one particular camera behind the goal. If there are 20 cameras covering the game, but those operating VAR predetermine only to view 10, then more such errors inevitably await.
No idea. However, the fact that nobody seems to know the answer is concern enough for me. Let's say, for the purposes of this discussion, that there are twenty camera angles of the game, well the viewer (in the ground or elsewhere) should know that there are that many angles and that they have all been taken into consideration when making a decision. Last night, UEFA dropped one, and no club, not even Spurs, should shrug that off with 'it is what it is', as it will only happen again.
Couldn't agree more Gab, and quite frankly the decision should be taken out of the refs hand anyway , he was pointing to his hip when shrugging away the protests from Mendy and Co , all the players that saw the incident knew it was handball.
One must assume he never got decent enough footage to show it had come off his forearm.
He might still have ruled it a goal we will never know but that was taken away from us last night.
Those sort of decisions can cost managers jobs through no fault of their own.
Pathetic officialdom for such an important game.