Var debate 2019/20

It would be a great start if the different flavours of VAR were introduced universally across all the competitions.

Even now tho it won’t be. Premier League refs aren’t going to be able to access pitch side monitors to view the subjective decisions. Those will be left to the VAR team which....

....will be staffed by lower league non-PGMOL officials
 
ancoats said:
you have to question VAR next season in the premier league ??? it simply will be a joke if a game is decided by a mistake by the team VAR, like the uefa champions league game city vs spurs when clearly the edit or the clip shown to the ref was the wrong clip to spot handball ?? they knew there was a clip showing handball but held it back ???

VAR should only be used for clear and obvious mistakes by the referee/officials when its a mile offside or in or outside the box, and if your a referee or linesman that can not see clearly enough when the game is playing live then you should not be in the game, cheating is what we all seen in the champions league game and clear and obvious mistakes was made by uefa and the VAR officials doing the game, so why we will trust the premier league using VAR when you see mo salah diving around getting soft pen without VAR this season

manchester city games will be the tool VAR that gets used the most and everything will be highlighted even the toss of the coin would be questioned
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Yet Pep is strongly in favour of VAR - this after Swansea FA cup win.

“Honestly, I didn’t watch it. If it was not a penalty and was offside, then I am sorry. We deserved to win in my opinion, but I am sorry.

“They asked all the clubs if they wanted VAR and all round Europe it is there, and here it is not. You have to ask the authorities why it is not here.

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It is far easier for officials to give the wrong decisions when we know they could be blindsided or a player cheats. VAR scrutinises the refs decisions as we know they are having a second look - it will be highly frustrating when it doesn’t go for you but it will make the game a lot more fairer.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yet Pep is strongly in favour of VAR - this after Swansea FA cup win.

“Honestly, I didn’t watch it. If it was not a penalty and was offside, then I am sorry. We deserved to win in my opinion, but I am sorry.

“They asked all the clubs if they wanted VAR and all round Europe it is there, and here it is not. You have to ask the authorities why it is not here.

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It is far easier for officials to give the wrong decisions when we know they could be blindsided or a player cheats. VAR scrutinises the refs decisions as we know they are having a second look - it will be highly frustrating when it doesn’t go for you but it will make the game a lot more fairer.
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There is no scrutiny.
As it stands the whole process is completely unaccountable and wide open for corrupt intent. ​

It will allow unscrupulous and unaccountable officials the opportunity to manipulate decisions based on what camera angles they decide to look at.

It also allows TV companies to have an indirect influence on the decision making process as it would be relatively easy for a TV producer to claim that there was an issue replaying the footage from a particular camera due to a "technical issue".
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
It would be a great start if the different flavours of VAR were introduced universally across all the competitions.

Even now tho it won’t be. Premier League refs aren’t going to be able to access pitch side monitors to view the subjective decisions. Those will be left to the VAR team which....

....will be staffed by lower league non-PGMOL officials
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Scary...
 
VAR showed it`s failings in the City Tottenham CL game, it showed the tv viewers what they wanted replays of City`s goal off side, but no replays or VAR for the so called foul by Fernandinho which led to the passage of play where they scored, and no replays or VAR on the foul on Ederson at the first corner which led to him dropping the ball, VAR is just another level of cheating
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yet Pep is strongly in favour of VAR - this after Swansea FA cup win.

“Honestly, I didn’t watch it. If it was not a penalty and was offside, then I am sorry. We deserved to win in my opinion, but I am sorry.

“They asked all the clubs if they wanted VAR and all round Europe it is there, and here it is not. You have to ask the authorities why it is not here.

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It is far easier for officials to give the wrong decisions when we know they could be blindsided or a player cheats. VAR scrutinises the refs decisions as we know they are having a second look - it will be highly frustrating when it doesn’t go for you but it will make the game a lot more fairer.
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It's been quite flaky so far, but this is the ideal situation.

Poor VARing should be identifiable fairly easily, as who benefits/doesn't benefit should be obvious. If it's not perceived to be fair, then the game will be damaged badly.

Two problems (amongst many) appear to exist which they can try to resolve:
- an understanding amongst the public of what is within the VAR remit (I think this has been muddied by talk rather than fact)
- we apparently are going to run a different system from UEFA for some reason (which means our refs can't do VAR in Europe)
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yet Pep is strongly in favour of VAR - this after Swansea FA cup win.

“Honestly, I didn’t watch it. If it was not a penalty and was offside, then I am sorry. We deserved to win in my opinion, but I am sorry.

“They asked all the clubs if they wanted VAR and all round Europe it is there, and here it is not. You have to ask the authorities why it is not here.

++

It is far easier for officials to give the wrong decisions when we know they could be blindsided or a player cheats. VAR scrutinises the refs decisions as we know they are having a second look - it will be highly frustrating when it doesn’t go for you but it will make the game a lot more fairer.
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your missing my point ?? the people running VAR next season are the people that are under the premier league officials umbrella and we all know what they are like ???, VAR in the wrong hands is a danger ?? and we have already seen UEFA and its team of officials twice fuck up in manchester city games this season with replays or in the first game NO tv monitor to watch and the 2nd the wrong clip being shown ????

when VAR was first setup everybody was told it would be only used for clear and obvious mistakes made by the referee or officials running the lines and the close calls would be left to the referee in the game and doubt would remain in the game (CLEAR OBVIOUS MISTAKES) are not cm or a inch right or wrong in offside or the ball hitting your arm and not ball to hand and could not get out of the way or just not looking at the ball

VAR, the ball being in or out of the box and point of contact or pen or no pen and clear offsides was sold to the clubs as a helping hand and getting the mistakes out of the game, WELL FOR WHAT I HAVE SEEN ALREADY VAR is just another way to cheat ?? and now its a team of officials in a studio and 4 match officials and the clear and obvious mistakes are made in the studio not in the game
 
karen7 said:
The rules were changed after the nico handball to if it strikes the arm of hand it's handball,intent doesn't count in the cl since then
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Thanks Karen, as you say in a later post though the whole thing is a bit of a mess.
Maybe the ref misunderstood the ruling and was looking to justify his decision after being alerted by the vidref?
Whatever the reason, he gave his decision and unlike our last minute goal being disallowed the whole pattern of the game would have changed if their goal had been disallowed as well so ifs and maybes don't count, just his decision.
 
Noticed a lot of the behind the goal angles that show the handball are being erased from social media platforms. Soon enough(in a years time) there will be no footage left of it and they can claim it never happened, so long as people stop talking about it. Same with the Sterling penalty at Anfield that wasn't given.
 
All VAR does is take some of the blame from the referees. The officials have been so blatantly blind/incompetent/bent (you choose),
do you really think they care if it's seen on video. All games are televised in some way, as it is.
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
All VAR does is take some of the blame from the referees. The officials have been so blatantly blind/incompetent/bent (you choose),
do you really think they care if it's seen on video. All games are televised in some way, as it is.
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It is a VAR VAR better thing I do now. It is a VAR VAR better place I go to.
Who said that?
 
prestonibbo_mcfc said:
All VAR does is take some of the blame from the referees. The officials have been so blatantly blind/incompetent/bent (you choose),
do you really think they care if it's seen on video. All games are televised in some way, as it is.
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It is a VAR VAR better thing I do now. It is a VAR VAR better place I go to.
Who said that?
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
That’s at super super slow motion. And even then he tucks his arm into his body.

Watch that at full speed and there’s absolutely no way on Earth that’s hand ball.
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Apparently the rule from UEFA is that if it hits the arm of an attacker, deliberate or not, and goes into the net, then NO GOAL.

Why are people coming on here saying 'I don't think it's handball'?

Handball has nothing to do with it.
It's because it was a goal.

So if it drops to Llorente's feet, he shoots and it gets deflected out, then it will be a corner as not deliberate handball.

Savvy?
 
This is why they should have spelled it out before introducing VAR... people are taking the handball rule for blocked shots on goal and applying it to attackers scoring goals. When referees have never viewed them the same because they are totally different situations requiring different logic.

People who think the rules are changing somehow next season when they aren't, are missing the point... they dropped the ball using 100year old rules on a state of the art system that needs every rule spelling out(which is not the way it was refereed for 100years up until now). There will probably be more things they will discover need sorting as they go along, that wouldn't have been argued with 5 years ago.

As soon as I saw it hit his elbow and divert onto his hip I said handball, I wouldn't have expected it to be given even for City. You know your striker fluffed the chance up if it's hit his arm, whether he meant it or not. I don't get how people are arguing otherwise, you take that on the chin and it was always that way, unless the opponent has blasted it at the attacker. Where's the common sense gone?
 
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Metalartin said:
This is why they should have spelled it out before introducing VAR... people are taking the handball rule for blocked shots on goal and applying it to attackers scoring goals when referees have never viewed them the same because they are totally different situations requiring different logic.
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Some of these egotistical refs though.

They appear to want to argue between wrong and right
 
citytilllidie said:
Apparently the rule from UEFA is that if it hits the arm of an attacker, deliberate or not, and goes into the net, then NO GOAL.

Why are people coming on here saying 'I don't think it's handball'?

Handball has nothing to do with it.
It's because it was a goal.

So if it drops to Llorente's feet, he shoots and it gets deflected out, then it will be a corner as not deliberate handball.

Savvy?
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That part of the handball definition is next season, not now.
 
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