UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

What do you think will be the outcome of the CAS hearing?

  • Two-year ban upheld

    Votes: 197 13.1%

  • Ban reduced to one year

    Votes: 422 28.2%

  • Ban overturned and City exonerated

    Votes: 815 54.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 65 4.3%
  • Total voters
    1,499
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Tricky_Trev said:
If it wasn’t edited why would City have quoted something that didn’t exist? Are they just hoping nobody has a copy of the original article?
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It wasn't edited, the original article is still there in which they claim sources close to the investigation believe we will get a 1 year ban. I don't think the club have mentioned anything about it been edited but who are these people close to the investigation that is suppose to be confidential
 
Otamendi's Beard said:
I've heard that the people we hired to work on our accounts were the same people UEFA used to create the rules.

If true, surely we'll be fine and all this is a bluff by UEFA after the leaked emails show we weren't 100% honest, but didn't actually break any rules?
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This^^^^^^.
A couple of months back there were a few resident 'experts' on the site commenting that strictly speaking we hadn't broken any accounting or UEFA rules regarding our sponsorship deals.
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
Having just read PBs piece and then comparing against the article in the NYT which says:

Many of the allegations of financial impropriety and rule-breaking lodged against Manchester City came to light after they were reported by news media outlets with access to the so-called Football Leaks files. The files are said to include emails and internal club documents showing efforts by City to circumvent UEFA’s financial fair-play regulations by masking cash infusions from a United Arab Emirates state-backed investment company through inflated sponsorship agreements with entities including the U.A.E.’s national airline, Etihad. Etihad is City’s principal sponsor, its name adorning the team’s stadium, its signage during matches and even the front of the players’ jerseys.

"Circumventing" as far as i'm aware isn't a breach of the rules more a "finding a way around them" which is surely common business practice.
From Colins' piece he makes clear that from the original judgement that the Etihad deal was accepted as "Fair Value" with a promise the Aabar and Etisalat deals remained at current levels (2014). So how can we now face allegations of inflating those deals? None of the NYT article makes any sense in this case or am I reading this wrong?
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This puzzles me too.
It’s not the amount of money involved, but its source that seems to be the question.
If the Etihad deal is deemed unrelated then it is of no concern to uefa where they get their money from.
If it was deemed ‘related’ then fair market value comes into play and this was accepted by uefa.
Whichever scenario applies, I don’t see why the club would need to mislead anyone about it, by email or whatever means.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Believe Matt Scott just been hauled off Talkshit for ranting.

Legal team.
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TOLM it’s nit his first offence either , was doing exactly the same last week !

Talksport know exactly what agenda he is going to spout so surely they are culprable!

It’s not the first time they have gone OTT on city without getting there facts straight !

David Silva and his baby etc etc ....

When is enough enough ?
 
The thing about all this that rankles the most is that the arguments are all historic from stuff 5 years ago and subsequently they reneged and changed the FFP requirements for new investors when some of the old G14 clubs couldn't make the break even requirement and went crying to UEFA.

The club have clearly demonstrated financial propriety and management, we are 5th on DeLoittes list and are one of the fastest growing football brands with a turnover that will exceed 600 Million this year, have never broken a transfer record, clearly made substantial profits for the last 3 seasons and therefore piss the break even requirement so beloved of these arseholes, yet we are vilified as cheats based on rules that no longer exist without the truth being heard on the basis of conjecture and rumour mongering among the press and their "sources". I sincerely hope we fully nail their fucking hat on when the time comes.
 
If some fucker is clever enough to hack all of these emails and private document, you can bet the clever cnut can also do a fair job of doctoring the shite too. Just as I'm sure City can go back and amend anything that is incriminating.

Fuck them all
 
inbetween said:
Why are PSG not up for the same scrutiny? Well here you go:

"P.S.G. and UEFA have a tangled relationship. The team’s owners also run beIN Sports, the broadcaster that is UEFA’s biggest media rights buyer. Both the club and beIN Sports are run by Nasser al-Khelaifi, a Qatari national who was elected to a position on UEFA’s executive board earlier this year."

So there you have a major competitor chairman on the board of the organisation that is implementing the rules and handing out the punishments.

This is all a smear attempt in the wave of a transfer window where we will spend.
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PSG is on constant scrutinity.
I don't get where you have the idea PSG has a free pass. PSG has just been recently cleared from further investigation for pre Neymar and Mbappé purchases by CAS for a technicality. But FFP is definitely going strong after PSG to the point they have devaluated our sponsors twice and tried to do it a third time. If they are serious, how can they be unable to find the correct value once at all ? Why do they keep devaluating it as soon as we comply by selling for the aforementioned amount missing to balance our account ? And why should those devaluations, decided in 2018, be retroactively applied in 2015/2016/2017 accounts when, at the time, PSG and UEFA had an agreement that the value was 100 M ?
When has FFP forced City to sell players ? PSG had to make a fire sell of 145 M€ of players because they used dirty tactics by applying retroactive devaluations.
And i remind you it is for pre Neymar/Mbappé years. So you can't even say "hey but City doesn't buy a 222 M€ player !".

If you really think Nasser had his hands on FFP matters then, either he did a poor job, either he decided to do his club dirty.
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
The thing about all this that rankles the most is that the arguments are all historic from stuff 5 years ago and subsequently they reneged and changed the FFP requirements for new investors when some of the old G14 clubs couldn't make the break even requirement and went crying to UEFA.

The club have clearly demonstrated financial propriety and management, we are 5th on DeLoittes list and are one of the fastest growing football brands with a turnover that will exceed 600 Million this year, have never broken a transfer record, clearly made substantial profits for the last 3 seasons and therefore piss the break even requirement so beloved of these arseholes, yet we are vilified as cheats based on rules that no longer exist without the truth being heard on the basis of conjecture and rumour mongering among the press and their "sources". I sincerely hope we fully nail their fucking hat on when the time comes.
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5th on Deloitte rich list and growing fast but FFP was brought in to stop clubs spending beyond their means. Yeah right that’s what it was brought in for.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Got a few more messages from various supporters of other clubs this morning referencing the NYT article and questioning how I could support a club that cheat and are owned by the “monsters” that are the UAE.

Going to have to either start ignoring them or craft a boilerplate response to save myself the trouble of putting constant effort in to responding.

The righteous indignation of these people, who support clubs who also receive (directly or indirectly) funding from the UAE, SA, China, and Russia is infuriating. It’s starting to pop up at my league games, as well.
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GFY?
 
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