Oleks Zinchenko - 2018/19 Performances

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RandomJ said:
Am I reading into that too much or was that a dig at a certain German player from Pep?
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Reading too much into it. It is simply a huge compliment to Zinchencko. As he was a generalized statement about non-starting players. They always show displeasure coz they think the manager is wrong for not starting them. Zee on the other hand just worked harder and stayed positive. It's a hard quality to have.
 
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Pep Guardiola on Oleksandr Zinchenko: “Some players show me how disappointed they are, but Zinchenko is the opposite. He is going to have a long career, here hopefully. I can only say thank you to him – everybody has to learn from Oleks. He deserves to be here.”

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What a great picture. Get drowned in pictures of the same old stuff. Lovely to see something so genuine.
 
Looking at that pic and reading what pep says makes me think we have a very special person and footballer in Oleks. He simply just gets it!!! I'm not picked in squad? no problem what time is training tomorrow? I am selected? I will give you everything I have.
 
A question.

I see it all over, his name being written as Aleks Zinchenko. I understand why, but his name is Oleksandr. Is this acceptable or just lazy/ignorant?
 
mccity said:
A question.

I see it all over, his name being written as Aleks Zinchenko. I understand why, but his name is Oleksandr. Is this acceptable or just lazy/ignorant?
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I think everyone just pronounces is Alex when speaking in English and that gets written down wrong.
 
mccity said:
A question.

I see it all over, his name being written as Aleks Zinchenko. I understand why, but his name is Oleksandr. Is this acceptable or just lazy/ignorant?
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It's acceptable unless you're talking to a Ukrainian Nazi :)

Russian name 'Aleksandr' is pronounced as Olexandr in Ukrainian (which is arguably a dialect of Russian language). It's essentially the same name.

Alexandr is rarely referred to as 'Aleks' in Russian/Ukrainian, 'Sasha' is the right shortened form (signifies familiarity and is usually used in relation to a friend/relative/close acquaintance): https://www.tripsavvy.com/russian-nicknames-and-diminutives-1502309

And 'Oleks' is a non-existent version AFAIK.
IMO Alex is the right version for English speakers.
 
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Andrew___K said:
It's acceptable unless you're talking to a Ukrainian Nazi :)

Russian name 'Aleksandr' is pronounced as Olexandr in Ukrainian (which is arguably a dialect of Russian language). It's essentially the same name.

Alexandr is rarely referred to as 'Aleks' in Russian/Ukrainian, 'Sasha' is the right shortened form (signifies familiarity and is usually used in relation to a friend/relative/close acquaintance): https://www.tripsavvy.com/russian-nicknames-and-diminutives-1502309

And 'Oleks' is a non-existent version AFAIK.
IMO Alex is the right version for English speakers.
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Simples.
 
If Ukrainian is close to Russian, the answer is probably in the change in pronounciation that results from whether the vowel is stressed or not.

So O is only pronounced O when it is stressed, but when unstressed, is pronounced A. In Oleksandr, the stress is on the third syllable. Oleks'ander. So the O is unstressed and becomes an A - so it's pronounced Aleksandr.

But depends on how close the languages are...
 
bobom said:
If Ukrainian is close to Russian, the answer is probably in the change in pronounciation that results from whether the vowel is stressed or not.

So O is only pronounced O when it is stressed, but when unstressed, is pronounced A. In Oleksandr, the stress is on the third syllable. Oleks'ander. So the O is unstressed and becomes an A - so it's pronounced Aleksandr.

But depends on how close the languages are...
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Very similar grammar, different vocabulary. Any native Russian speaker is able to understand about 80% of Ukrainian speech without special training, so Ukrainian is often percieved as a local dialect of Russian language (though linguists would probably disagree, it's a complicated historical - and now even political - matter). Lots of Ukrainians are using Russian as their everyday language - don't know the exact percentage, but I suspect no less than 50%. So the borders between these languages are really vague.

Regarding Zin's name, as you've rightly suggested, the difference is pronunciation (but you are wrong in the stress part, as both 'Oleksandr' and 'Alexandr' have a stress on 3rd syllable). In the end it's the same name derived from widely spread European 'Alexander', so I reckon 'Alex' is the correct shortened reference for English-speaking audience.

Or call him Sasha when you want to show your affection to him (though it can sound a bit too cute and is mostly used by friends/relatives).
 
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Crazy to think that this time last year he looked to be on his way out, and most thought it was probably for the best. He's been consistently good all season, I can see him undergoing the kind of transformation we've seen in Raheem, under Pep.
 
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