Away tickets

[Fame Monster]

New system has more positives than negatives imo
18-25s finally get a look in (for games other than Southampton and Cardiff on a Tuesday night)
No points for aways will hopefully get rid of ‘points whores’ for good and open up more games for people who stuck on around 16,000.
Points for home games will help with the problem we have with seasoncard holders only turning up for half the games.
And those already at the front of the queue will keep their place.
Only problem is I’m not 18 till feb ;)

Glory hunter :)

 

[Goater666]

Happy with the no points for away tickets, might encourage people buying tickets just so they can get the points and presumable just to sell on to people with no points.

Not bothered about the 18-25 thing, at most 150 tickets? we give out much more to corps!

Completely against collect in destination, does very little other than cause an inconvenience for genuine fans. Will be interesting to see what action is given to the people that sell on tickets!

 

[Chappie]

I have no problem with the ballot but surely the tickets used in it must come from an equal split of supporters' clubs, corporates, and season ticket holders, not from one section. The ticket collection could be a pain in the arse. It depends on how many they check and how often. If it is really used just as a deterrent to the few who sell their tickets on for profit then it may work. I have never been convinced that we have a huge army of so-called "points whores." I see the same faces at most away games who have been going for decades plus a smattering of corporate tourists at London games (presumably they are the Viagogo brigade) Let's see what happens this season.

It now transpires that it is not a ballot but first come first served for the 150 tickets in the 18/25 year olds category
And only on the first day of sale after that any unsold tickets go back into the loyalty system group

 

[roytoncity]

Next step ballot.

I have a 27 and a 23 year old. One may benefit over the next two seasons, the other is considered over the hill.

Too many excluded, the changes haven't created equity. Ballot next logic step.

 

[Maccblue]

So a supporter who is 3000 points behind another supporter decides to go to every home and away game for the next 3 years, taking time off work, travelling the length and breadth of the country.
The supporter who is 3000 points ahead decides to just go to home games for the next 3 years as its too much hassle and he can't be arsed spending his money or his time following the club away anymore.
In 3 years time this supporter will still have 3000 more loyalty points than the other guy!

Correct another major fuck up from our great club along with the ‘let’s chuck everyone out of the north stand and make it all families ‘
Cups for cock ups ! So things don’t change regardless of how good the team are!!!

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Very easily - especially as under 16s can get to the games at the same time as a qualifying adult - now they will miss out on most as the threshold has gone up to allow a lot more to not go to points, and it won't be just the 5%, but that is the scapegoat.

Most 20-25 with no points are the new fan or not from a city family, why should those whose parents have forked out thousands to help them be shafted for those whose parents were united or Liverpool fans?

bit of a sweeping generalization. i know loads of city fans who are 20-25 years old who dont go away games that have been city fans for years and go to every single home match. I'm 25 and started going when joe royle was the managers - not exactly a glory hunter. no that long ago pearce was the manager.

'why should those whose parents have forked out thousands to help then be shafted' how is that fair??? just because they can afford it. what about the thousands of teenagers across manchester who arent that lucky and don't have parents who are loaded? should they not go to games.....ridiculous point.

what i get from your post is apparently your only a city fan if you have away points and your lucky enough to get tickets bought for you by mum and dad. unless I've misread your post ?

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

Can she not hold off and buy a ticket when you get yours?

She only has 14k so this system benefits her although she thinks it’s wrong so if points go to Monday I am fine but she won’t be unless she is lucky enough to bag one tomorrow but then if I don’t get one she will return it I assume.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Quite happy with the 18-25 thing.
Not averse to the random collection either, as long as it’s organised better than it was in Celtic and Madrid. You don’t turn up in person, you don’t get any more tickets.
The no points for away tickets is bollocks though. Like many others I’ve spent years shelling out to build up enough points just to have a fighting chance. Now it boils down to going platinum every year. The first bullshit step on the path to a full ballot

 

[sam 1980]

Another scenario is supporter A is told 5 days before the game he needs to collect his ticket.
On the way to the ground his car breaks down/gets stuck in traffic/has family emergency (take your pick) he doesn't collect his ticket.
Will the club therefore assume he never intended to go and was intending to pass on and ban him?

They have history of banning people without any attempt to seek explanations

100% I think a few united fans had to go that Fsa thing and united backed down

 

[Tonster]

I might be wrong but I think virtually all aways sold out last season.

You are wrong. Lots made general sale before selling out. So all seasoncard holders had a chance.

 

[sam 1980]

Are points still available for youth and women's games?

Never were for women’s and youth game points stopped years ago

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

It now transpires that it is not a ballot but first come first served for the 150 tickets in the 18/25 year olds category
And only on the first day of sale after that any unsold tickets go back into the loyalty system group

Thank God I'm not 18 to 25 then. That sounds like a lot of hassle to me. Mind you not as difficult as jibbing in which I did to lots of away matches in the 70s!

 

[Eccles Blue]

I thought the 18-25 thing was going to be a ballot? This isn’t a ballot, this is first one on the phone/internet gets the ticket!

My understanding was that it would be a ballot & if you got a ticket for this game then your number wouldn’t go in for the next one? That’s more of a ballot than everyone trying on the first day surely?

 

[ninjamonkey]

For the 18-25 tickets, what happens when they turn 26? They’ve got no points for attending whatever games they have managed to get tickets for so they’ve not moved up the queue and they’re left with zero chance of attending a game.

And how many are going to get a ticket and be willing to go on their own when none of their mates can get a ticket?

What’s going to happen is, they’ll sell those tickets on either for profit to tout websites or to others under the agreement they sort them out another time. Let’s say some kid gets a Bournemouth ticket, nobody he knows is going as tickets are at a premium so he doesn’t really fancy it, he’s not going to send it back, instead, along comes a supporters club chairman who’s always got people needing tickets, buys it off him and offers him two tickets for him and his mate along with travel if they need it to another less appealing league game. The threat of punishment isn’t a deterrent for somebody who can’t get tickets usually anyway. An entirely new black market is then created.


The more you think about it, the worse it gets. It’s the ticketing equivalent of FFP. The guys at the top, stay at the top and rules are put in place to ensure nobody can change that.

 

[GortonBlue62]

So we have this (imaginary) problem where a small number of fans buy tickets with no intention of going to the game just to keep their points totals high.

I know, let's piss off the vast majority of our away support, the people who carried the club through the bad times by abolishing points for away games.

These people are fucking idiots.

 

[GortonBlue62]

You are wrong. Lots made general sale before selling out. So all seasoncard holders had a chance.

Including those in the 18-25 age range.

 

[Manc Born & Bred]

For the 18-25 tickets, what happens when they turn 26? They’ve got no points for attending whatever games they have managed to get tickets for so they’ve not moved up the queue and they’re left with zero chance of attending a game.

And how many are going to get a ticket and be willing to go on their own when none of their mates can get a ticket?

What’s going to happen is, they’ll sell those tickets on either for profit to tout websites or to others under the agreement they sort them out another time. Let’s say some kid gets a Bournemouth ticket, nobody he knows is going as tickets are at a premium so he doesn’t really fancy it, he’s not going to send it back, instead, along comes a supporters club chairman who’s always got people needing tickets, buys it off him and offers him two tickets for him and his mate along with travel if they need it to another less appealing league game. The threat of punishment isn’t a deterrent for somebody who can’t get tickets usually anyway. An entirely new black market is then created.


The more you think about it, the worse it gets. It’s the ticketing equivalent of FFP. The guys at the top, stay at the top and rules are put in place to ensure nobody can change that.

Last paragraph is spot on. These people who to be fair have done the hard yards and spent a fortune might now think twice about tricky away games on a Monday night etc knowing that the place is secure moving forward. 19 away league games is £570 in tickets alone. Chuck another six to eight cup away games including Euros and Wembley and you could be looking at over 2k. Give a couple of seasons a miss, save a fortune and you are still near the to0. Meanwhile the 23 year old who gets tickets and does all the graft for 2 years then turns 25 and goes back to where they were.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Glad they've stopped points for away games, apart from the least desirable ones maybe (e.g a midweek game against a crap team)

 

[GortonBlue62]

Last paragraph is spot on. These people who to be fair have done the hard yards and spent a fortune might now think twice about tricky away games on a Monday night etc knowing that the place is secure moving forward. 19 away league games is £570 in tickets alone. Chuck another six to eight cup away games including Euros and Wembley and you could be looking at over 2k. Give a couple of seasons a miss, save a fortune and you are still near the to0. Meanwhile the 23 year old who gets tickets and does all the graft for 2 years then turns 25 and goes back to where they were.

As I said, genius.

 

[mainestand]

Regarding away tickets and people selling them on, it will still happen whether you get points or not, instead of picking a couple of hundred to pick tickets up at the away grounds, why not have it that you have to have your season card with you at away games. Every away ground these days has some sort of control barrier up to the turnstiles where you have to show your ticket, then be searched and then have the sniffer dogs round your feet, Then you could have the City stewards with the hand held season card scanner scan your season card, I don’t think there is any ground with more than eight turnstiles at the away end unless a cup game where we get a larger allocation, so only several stewards required. If you are one that buys away tickets to sell on to anyone you don’t know would you be prepared to let your season card go with it, in the hope it’s returned in the post in time for the next home game.