Var debate 2019/20

Rather than look at someone else's interpretation of the handball law - look at what it says:

It is an offence if a player:
  • deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, including moving the hand/arm towards the ball
  • gains possession/control of the ball after it has touched their hand/arm and then:
    • scores in the opponents’ goal
    • creates a goal-scoring opportunity
  • scores in the opponents’ goal directly from their hand/arm, even if accidental, including by the goalkeeper
So VAR had to interpret the accidental handball by Laporte and determine if he gains possession/control and then creates a goal-scoring opportunity.

In my opinion it is meant to apply to a player who deliberately gets control of the ball accidentally and goes on to provide an assist not an inadvertent deflection..

This interpretation of the laws.
 
Yes that's the infuriating thing, if you're going to use it for the handball why wasn't it used for the penalty? I'm not even convinced it hit Laporte's arm anyway, from the TV replay which I must have seen 20 times now it could have been the defender's arm. It certainly doesn't look 100% clear cut.

But the real issue is it's ruining the game. You don't know whether to celebrate a goal or not and it's solving nothing if they don't use it for every decision. It's a complete mockery if you can have a goal chalked off but not be given a penalty, so whichever way you look at it we were robbed.
 
Does anyone visit other teams forums? Do the majority realise that when it's crunch time in the season, when they're desperate for points, every goal they score, tackle they make in the area, any marginal offside will be crutinsed to death. Whilst up the other end against the chosen few they'll have to put up with things let slide and not reviewed? VAR is going to be used to hurt the many and benefit the few.
 
After yesterday, interesting to look at the IFAB publication on Laws of the Game 2019/20. http://theifab.com/backend/library/doc/changes-to-the-laws-and-clarifications-201920 Handball is Law 12 .

Page 40 explains the rationale for the changes - "football does not accept: a goal being scored directly from the hand/arm (even if accidental)" Note the word "directly". The rationale also says football does not accept "a player gaining possession/control of the ball from their hand/arm (even if accidental) and then scoring or creating a goal-scoring opportunity " Key word here is "their".

These points are then set out in the amended text of Law 12 on pages 44, 46 and 51. Laporte neither gained possession nor control nor scored a goal (so nothing wrong on p44). Did Laporte create a goal scoring opportunity ? Probably not, because Jesus had a fair bit of work to do afterwards; so looks like nothing wrong on p46. (and, as an aside, would the pull on Laporte's arm be DOGSO ?).So, page 51 - its a free kick if a player scores "directly from their hand/arm" - no, that didn't happen.

Pages 65 and 67 make it clear that there will not usually be an offence unless there is a handball within the words of the rule - unnaturally bigger and so on.

So this all suggests that the rule is a goal dirctly from a hand / arm is disallowed (the situation where Wolves scored and Llorente scored) but what where the accidental touch on the arm is a move or several moves beforehand ?

Everyone (players, Michael Oliver, commentators) were clear that the touch on Laporte's arm was accidental. I have heard no justification that it was a handball within the Law. Laporte hadn't made his profile bigger - if it was, the Spurs player did that by pulling his arm.

Definitely appears to be easily enough leeway there to allow the goal.
 
At the very least the Var referees decision should be audible to the crowd to explain it.And why the fuck s he making the decision anyway I thought he drew the referee's attention to an incident and the on field official looked on a monitor and decided
 

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