Another new Brexit thread

[Chippy_boy]

I didn't promise anything.

And I didn't give in to people with balaclavas

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

According to Raab this is a great deal for NI as they have the benefit of frictionless trade with the EU.......................just think about that for a minute

You really couldn’t make it up. Luckily you don’t have to...

 

[dave_blue12]

What are Farage’s thoughts and the ‘clean break’ Brexit people’s thoughts on the deal?


What did they think would happen?

Thinking not a DUP strongpoint.

Too busy enjoying their time in the limelight and no doubt feathering their own personal nests.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Think you can hang it on each and every one of them, including Johnson. The caliber of politician in the UK is currently very low, and that should be of the deepest concern for anyone interested in democracy and the future of the Union.

Absolutely. I've already bored people at length about how much higher the standard of Europe debate was in the 70's - see youtube.

 

[Mike D]

I said a while back that the DUP will be the first victim of the brexit fantasy falling apart. The DUP love the concept of brexit but the reality is that it makes a mess of NI and the GFA. There are two options you either do a very soft brexit or you fuck off NI. The DUP have been propping up the tories for years believing in some magical solution and here we are... they have been fucked off.

In a nutshell that is it and they were foolish enough to go along with it and can't say they didn't see it coming. Johnson was always going to persue the hardest Brexit possible the closest that he could to no deal in order to satisfy his backers. Really don't have any sympathy for them and they need to get this voted down and break off this arrangement with the tories if they have any sense.

 

[Len Rum]

The country surely cant go on an on like this, I just hope this deal goes through and we can all move on from this stalemate and deal with other pressing issues such as knife crime, homelessness, and health care etc. No one knows for certain what is round the corner for the economy, but the recent polling clearly shows there is still more support for leaving the EU in some form or other rather than remaining, 46% vs 34%. Therefore I feel MPs should vote with the conscience and not with their party political heads on. Then lets have a GE and get a democratically elected PM in charge, whoever that may be? Who knows, Corbyn may even get in by some miracle and if that happens he can then choose to rip up Johnson's deal and go back to the people and the EU!? But I think it would be a brave or foolish person who would do that without seeing where this takes us first of all, especially as the majority of the electorate appear to be completely fed up with those in Westminster as it is?

We might get a breather but we can't move on.
Brexit will go on for years.
Next crunch point is when we have to decide on an extension to the transition phase in June 2020 and it'll all kick off again re. extension vs no deal.
That poll you mentioned can lead to a different conclusion if the the numbers in the different categories are aggregated differently.

 

[Ban-jani]

If this goes through Labour will be in a huge mess. They will hand a massive boost to Johnson ahead of a GE and will have a massive remain backlash to deal with. People bang on about Labour fighting in leave seats - labour voters are overwhelmingly remainers and many feel betrayed by the reluctance and delay in shifting to remain.

Labour are stuck here I think.

It’s such a precarious position for them to be in and Corbyn’s insistence on not picking a side may have done for them.

If they’d have backed remain properly, it wouldn’t be a surprise to people they were to vote this down.

 

[AlgarveBlu]

“Get Brexit Done” must be the worst slogan since “Brexit means Brexit”

It will never be “done”. It needs to be treated as a process and not an event. Until that happens, which it won’t, we will be going around in circles

A 'peoples vote' for the second referendum was equally as bad - just call it a second referendum.

From the get go on campaigning for the referendum, the one thing that has been consistent by both sides although Borris and Jeremy take the biscuit; is the sheer manipulation of the English language - you need a degree in reading between the lines and they have redefined the word duplicitous. Get them all on lie detector tests I say before they can represent parliament.

 

[Blue Hefner]

A 'peoples vote' for the second referendum was equally as bad - just call it a second referendum.

From the get go on campaigning for the referendum, the one thing that has been consistent by both sides although Borris and Jeremy take the biscuit; is the sheer manipulation of the English language - you need a degree in reading between the lines and they have redefined the word duplicitous. Get them all on lie detector tests I say before they can represent parliament.

I agreed re ‘people’s vote’. A terrible name.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Sorry but this is a complete and utter fallacy. 61% of Labour constituencies voted to leave!

But you or course right when you say if this goes through Corbyn and co are knackered.

This is the misconception I am on about. Labour MPs are in leave constituencies but typically MPs are voted in on 30-50% of the vote. When you look at the data of what Labour voters want there is a clear remain majority - even in leave seats. So Labour has far more to lose by supporting leave than it does in fighting it - and that is even before you consider the type of deal and person behind it.

 

[BobKowalski]

Not trying to sell this Brexit for sure, the price is too high. Not quite the catrastrophic one of a Corbyn government but close. Trouble is an extension would probably end up with a Farage/ERG axis and No Deal anyway.

Scotland is an economic basket case, separated from the UK it has the highest deficit of any country in the developed world. The EU wouldn't let it near the eurozone so what would be its currency - Sterling? NI is not the DUP, their interests would be served by this deal and their days as a political part of the UK are numbered anyway. Selmayr will get his prize but will have to wait a few years yet - until it was going to be awarded anyway.

Fair enough

 

[Blue Hefner]

Labour are stuck here I think.

It’s such a precarious position for them to be in and Corbyn’s insistence on not picking a side may have done for them.

If they’d have backed remain properly, it wouldn’t be a surprise to people they were to vote this down.

If the deal goes through then Corbyn should resign.

I’m currently away so haven’t really kept up with things so forgive my ignorance but I’m assuming this ‘deal’ is not as good as remaining but it will get through in the interests of getting this ‘done’?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Sorry but this is a complete and utter fallacy. 61% of Labour constituencies voted to leave!

But you or course right when you say if this goes through Corbyn and co are knackered.

They are both right, as it happens. What you’re presuming (along with many others, tbf) is that every leave voter, in those constituencies, votes Labour in an election. They don’t.

 

[George Hannah]

Is it currently higher than that of Greece in 2010? The EU is perfectly capable of accommodating and correcting, quite severely, errant members, and it would have few qualms gulping down Scotland. It’s already got its teeth into Northern Ireland and Gibraltar, if the deal is passed, so perhaps it’s the UK’s days that are numbered. Who voted for this? :-(

You think the Scottish electorate would relish the Greek treatment? Fortunately, even if they are foolish enough to vote for independence they will likely be spared that experience as the eurozone is destined to be contracted not enlarged as a result of Brexit. The other two are unsustainable in the long term anyway but as long as their resident population wants to be with the UK they can be. As for the UKs days being numbered - that figure will be a lot larger outside the EU for sure. That unelected cartel is indeed capable of behaving in an appalling fashion and if you value your democratic birthright you'll want to see it abandon its superstate objectives for the benefit of everybody.

 

[Vic]

Agree with you, but the boredom and frustration of the population is hardly the fault of Boris. Look to those who have sought to stall, delay or obstruct the brexit process if you want to hang that on someone.

Wasn't that Johnson?

 

[blueinsa]

Have we stopped Brexit yet then?

Funny you should ask that.........

 

[Damocles]

A 'peoples vote' for the second referendum was equally as bad - just call it a second referendum.

From the get go on campaigning for the referendum, the one thing that has been consistent by both sides although Borris and Jeremy take the biscuit; is the sheer manipulation of the English language - you need a degree in reading between the lines and they have redefined the word duplicitous. Get them all on lie detector tests I say before they can represent parliament.

I could write a book on this. It's incredibly irritating.

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.
Invading is defence.
Abortion is healthcare.
Weapons are protection.
Voting is undemocratic.
Money is value.
Speech is violence.

The list goes on.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That poll you mentioned can lead to a different conclusion if the the numbers in the different categories are aggregated differently.

Sorry Len but whatever way you try and spin it, If you add up the three leave options they total 46% with remain totaling 34%.
Unless you are suggesting all the don't knows are actually remainers?

I just cant imagine how dissapointed you must have been when you read that article? nearly as much as the BBC themselves!

What i did find amusing was the fact that the total was 101% !
Not the best editorial checking.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

He's had 40 years of practice, so hardly surprising.

He admitted he never read the last one.

It could have said leaving the eu is conditional on labour being in govt for the next 30 years and he would still vote against it , as its a Tory deal.

The great thing is labour and the Lib Dem’s are now extremists against the compromise deal , alongside farage and the brexit party.

 

[BobKowalski]

Wasn't that Johnson?

Pretty much lol