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Like him or not and most on here fucking hate him and brexit for that matter, politically he has out manoeuvred the lot of them in Westminster.

The only deal on the table he got rid of and brought a new one.

Proved he wasn't all about no deal.

The backstop that couldn't be got rid of he got rid of.

DUP aside he looks to have got the ERG, most of the Tory rebels and plenty from labour if the reports are true to back it come tomorrow.

Last but not least, he has got Dublin and Brussels and the 27 to agree to it and we have a chance to finally move onto the next stage.

He has played them all like a cheap fiddle imo when in any other times and with any other opposition he would have been toast, such is the sheer fucking crapness of Labour under Corbyn and that front bench.
 
hilts said:
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Banned in Ireland:-)
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They're not banned as such, just susceptible to explosions.
 
AlgarveBlu said:
From the get go on campaigning for the referendum, the one thing that has been consistent by both sides although Borris and Jeremy take the biscuit; is the sheer manipulation of the English language - you need a degree in reading between the lines and they have redefined the word duplicitous. Get them all on lie detector tests I say before they can represent parliament.
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This trend of manipulated political languaghe is worrysome in societies that grow ever more complex for ex. technologicly and socialy, especially considering it can be employed very conciously as a tactic to the particular interest of a few.

And again, the state of British media (or atleast more than half of it) ..
 
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blueinsa said:
Like him or not and most on here fucking hate him and brexit for that matter, politically he has out manoeuvred the lot of them in Westminster.

The only deal on the table he got rid of and brought a new one.

Proved he wasn't all about no deal.

The backstop that couldn't be got rid of he got rid of.

DUP aside he looks to have got the ERG, most of the Tory rebels and plenty from labour if the reports are true to back it come tomorrow.

Last but not least, he has got Dublin and Brussels and the 27 to agree to it and we have a chance to finally move onto the next stage.

He has played them all like a cheap fiddle imo when in any other times and with any other opposition he would have been toast, such is the sheer fucking crapness of Labour under Corbyn and that front bench.
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This is not a master stroke, it is merely going back to something previously turned down.

But I could be wrong. So maybe you could let me know the benefits of this ‘deal’ as opposed to remaining or is that not even a discussion any more but more interested in ‘getting Brexit done’?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
He admitted he never read the last one.

It could have said leaving the eu is conditional on labour being in govt for the next 30 years and he would still vote against it , as its a Tory deal.

The great thing is labour and the Lib Dem’s are now extremists against the compromise deal , alongside farage and the brexit party.
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And now 15 points behind in the latest Yougov poll tracker. Way to go Jeremy!
 
Blue Hefner said:
If the deal goes through then Corbyn should resign.

I’m currently away so haven’t really kept up with things so forgive my ignorance but I’m assuming this ‘deal’ is not as good as remaining but it will get through in the interests of getting this ‘done’?
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Pretty much it.

Economically it’s worse than May’s but at least it doesn’t keep the island of Great Britain tied into an indefinite customs arrangement, that only the EU can let us leave.

NI can vote as well, once a border solution is raised, to drop EU customs alignment.

It’s shit compared to remaining but Brexit was always going to be just that.

If it goes through I’ll breath a sigh of relief that we’ve avoided no deal though and we can finally move forward onto trade deals.
 
Blue Hefner said:
This is not a master stroke, it is merely going back to something previously turned down.

But I could be wrong. So maybe you could let me know the benefits of this ‘deal’ as opposed to remaining or is that not even a discussion any more but more interested in ‘getting Brexit done’?
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I could.

I could spend weeks telling you but you know what, you would say nope, dont agree so what is the point?

The ref has been done, the result in and the government has done what you all said was impossible in getting the backstop removed, negotiations reopened and a new deal agreed that looks like it might get through.

All with Parliament holding a gun to his head for the past god knows how many weeks.

All the chips went on him coming back with no deal and the Benn act being put into action and he has pulled your rug out from under you.
 
Blue Hefner said:
This is not a master stroke, it is merely going back to something previously turned down.

But I could be wrong. So maybe you could let me know the benefits of this ‘deal’ as opposed to remaining or is that not even a discussion any more but more interested in ‘getting Brexit done’?
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If it goes through it will be largely due to fatigue and many MPs not really caring about the unionist NI population. It should be the tories who stick up for them and that was a red line in tory thinking up to this point. Labour are not that arsed as they may well consider them a bunch of cunts. If you think that is a master stroke for BoJo then maybe it is of sorts. But there will be long term significant fall out from such an approach. NI will end up fully in the EU as any attempt to sort the border out will be forgotten - it was never going to work. That then pretty much nails on the case for a second ref in Scotland and that will be just as messy as brexit. And without the need to have a workable land border BoJo will move on a hard brexit trade deal very quickly which will ultimately result in a terrible trade deal with the EU which we will have very little choice but to accept. We will not hold all the cards.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Sorry Len but whatever way you try and spin it, If you add up the three leave options they total 46% with remain totaling 34%.
Unless you are suggesting all the don't knows are actually remainers?

I just cant imagine how dissapointed you must have been when you read that article? nearly as much as the BBC themselves!

What i did find amusing was the fact that the total was 101% !
Not the best editorial checking.
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The trouble with putting multiple leave options on a poll, against one remain option is a psychological one.

I personally think leaving with a deal now is the best option for the UK, mostly because we A) voted to leave and B) all other options end in economic (no deal) or social (no deal or revoke) disasters.

I may be inclined to say “deal” on a 3 part poll if asked... but if I was put in front of another referendum, which means the scenario has changed because we’re voting again and it wasn’t just remain vs leave, I’d vote remain every time.

There will be millions with the same view as the above and that’s why hypothetical multi-choice polls are bull shit.

The leading expert in polling in the UK, cannot remember his name, said the same this week.
 
blueinsa said:
I could.

I could spend weeks telling you but you know what, you would say nope, dont agree so what is the point?

The ref has been done, the result in and the government has done what you all said was impossible in getting the backstop removed, negotiations reopened and a new deal agreed that looks like it might get through.

All with Parliament holding a gun to his head for the past god knows how many weeks.

All the chips went on him coming back with no deal and the Benn act being put into action and he has pulled your rug out from under you.
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Untrue. In August I said-

“The only chance is an Irish Sea border but the DUP will say no”.

The reason remainers on here weren’t talking about this option en masse, was because it had already been dismissed in 2016.

All Johnson has done has added to the WA something already on offer, remainers have been proven right if anything.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I think its a possibility, if anything simply because Corbyn has alienated many in his own party.
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He is utterly fucking useless but deliberately so on brexit because he is a leaver.

McDonnell is a leaver.

Dont believe a fucking word they utter about no deal this or bad deal that.

They want out.
 
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