This Letwin amendment for tomorrow's vote looks tasty. Supported by opposition parties and Tory rebels.
Looks as though BoJo will have to dig that ditch baby.
Re education, Labour camps or just out the back and a 9mm?
The important thing now is to find a way to protect remain MP's jobs in leave constituencies. The sensible way to do this is to find a way where those MPs can vote for the deal, but then also vote for ammendments which will kick the legislative can far enough down the road for Boris to have to ask for an extension. They can then honestly tell their constituency they voted for the deal but still make sure brexit doesn't happen. They then keep their jobs come the next GE.This Letwin amendment for tomorrow's vote looks tasty. Supported by opposition parties and Tory rebels.
Looks as though BoJo will have to dig that ditch baby.
They were 15 points behind when May called the last election and she hadn't the BXP to deal with.
I’m inclined to agree with this.
Whether that is the way they go or not, I think you’ll find out soon enough after a GE.
Trouble is if the Tories get their majority, which I still think was the original overall game plan, the deal is a happy bonus if they get it through parliament. Then it will be too late to stop them if indeed their intentions are somewhat less than honourable.
NI will have been removed as an obstacle, they would be left with a choice of The EU or The UK.
Same economic catastrophe would be faced by local businesses.
Yes, she should, it would finally mean she gets what she wants, but she won't, and if the deal gets passed, zero
fucks will be given about her, or the SNP, and we, thankfully, will be hearing much less of her, and that raving fat jock who
completely lost it in the house the other day.
There are many positives about Brexit;)
Only according to YouGov, who probably would have had them ahead in 97 if they'd existed.25 points behind when May first called the snap election.
This is the reality of where we are heading. Pray this fails
I am still in favour of leaving albeit slightly, but not if it means the takeover of the country by the hard right. That is what we might be seeing, the endgame of Thatcherism. A choice between that and remain, remain all day long. The damage a hard right government free of EU restraint could do to the country is unimaginable. It will be the biggest ever redistribution of wealth from poor to rich the world has ever seen.
As many hate Johnson as May and I can see him being even worse on the campaign trail, he's far too lazy and has far too many skeletons in the closet, could be more the British Hillary than Trump.I think you've perhaps overlooked a minor flaw in your argument.
Lives in his own world.How can it be, Rascal? The poor have had all their weath taken off them and given to the rich already remember? Now come on, stay on message for goodness sake.
I know you are passionate @Rascal so genuine question... if you are advocating redistributing resources to help the hungry how will you get the bone idle off their arses to make sure you focus on those who really need the support?No death, I am a pacifist, no camps, I hate tents, a basic grounding on the basics of Socialism sounds good though. A redistribution of resources so nobody goes hungry and everybody has a home would be a start.
This is the reality of where we are heading. Pray this fails
And you end up with No Deal after the transition period.It seems to me that this situation is actually very very simple. I've had my "road to Damascus" moment, but others seem to be struggling with it, so let me explain where I am coming from.
1. We had a referendum which I am sure everyone will agree, despite all our preferences, reservations, objections or what-have-you's, was positioned as a, once-in-life-time binary vote on whether we should stay in, or Leave. And also there was a universal commitment from all involved that the result would be respected.
2. Realising what a cluster-fuck this was, I chose to ignore this and argued passionately for a full reversal or a second referendum in order to get the result I'd have preferred. In hindsight, this was wrong. The result must be honoured. For two reasons, (a) because to not do so, would destroy all faith in democracy in this country and (b) because those who voted Leave will never let it drop anyway. We cannot move on, and start addressing all the problems in society - the very things that many people were driven to vote Leave over - until we move on and Leave.
3. There can no justification for rejecting a democratic referendum result. However, if there was to be one, then the only plausible objection might be that no-one voted to leave without a deal. That people were told there would be a deal. That the economy will be trashed without a deal. We now have a deal, so that objection is eiiminated and can no longer be valid.
Therefore the ONLY sensible option, the only morally acceptable option, is now for MPs to vote to accept the deal. I think enough of them will realise this and it will be passed.
Which suits his backers among the Tory party, the ERG. Wouldn't rule it out.And you end up with No Deal after the transition period.
There is no-one and absolutely nothing which could be worse that May's GE campaign. It is the zero against whilst all other efforts can be calibrated. For some bizarre reason, many people find Johnson quite charismatic and appealing. No human thought that of Theresa May.As many hate Johnson as May and I can see him being even worse on the campaign trail, he's far too lazy and has far too many skeletons in the closet, could be more the British Hillary than Trump.
Controversial opinion. Johnson is lying to them. Johnson is always lying to someone and my bet is that’s it the ERG mob. He needs their votes. But think about it. Why wait 14 months to trigger a no deal scenario? Tories may not even be in power in 14 months. Would make more sense to refuse to do a deal with the EU, get a three month extension forced on him, fight an election as the no deal champion, win it and then no deal in January.
Just a thought.
I think he's a c#nt but he's more popular in ratings than May. she came across as cold and boring whereas Johnson doesn't. Sad that that seems to be what counts in choosing who will lead our country, though, but that's the modern world. Can't stand watching Johnson in interviews when he tries to come across all matey. The c#nt.As many hate Johnson as May and I can see him being even worse on the campaign trail, he's far too lazy and has far too many skeletons in the closet, could be more the British Hillary than Trump.