Bernado Silva misconduct charge: one game ban, £50k fine

[MillionMilesAway]

Ok, that means there isn't any transparency at all and they actually do what they want. As usual.

Could be seen like that. It's only when there are multiple incidents of the same kind that any kind of framework can be seen.

 

[domalino]

So you are excusing UEFA for their inaction over serious offences, Bulgaria should have been facing a long international ban, but condone the vilification of two City players by a media who are as utterly reprehensible as the racists and nut jobs that fill their comments sections. I haven't mentioned Liverpool getting fined, but now you mention it a look into how the Sterling story got to the media should be investigated.

Literally every sentence in that is bollocks.

Did I excuse UEFAs punishment of Bulgaria? No. Did I condone 2 city players being vilified? No I didnt even mention Sterling.

If you want to have an argument where you get to make up what the other person says, I'd suggest an imaginary friend.

What I actually said (I'll repeat it even though you likely wont read it) is that its fucking idiotic to compare fines from 2 different and separate governing bodies and asking why Liverpool didnt get punished for supporting Suarez- something that literally no one has ever been punished for - is also fucking stupid.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I think the Wayne Hennessey case makes for a more compelling argument than the size of any fine. The FA accepted in that case that Hennessey didn't know what a Nazi salute was, which is quite obviously untrue, and dropped the charges. In Bernardo's case they accepted that "the player did not have any knowledge of the historical connotations of the Conguitos character", but banned him regardless. It smacks of double standards to me.

Anyway, the club and Silva have accepted the punishment, albeit reluctantly, so I think there's little point in dwelling on it. Time to draw a line under it and move on. Hopefully Bernardo can recapture the form he showed last season.

I agree to some extent. The Hennessey thing was one of the most mad defences ever, and I can only assume that the FA lawyers thought they couldn't disprove it enough to back any punishment.

I don't remember what regulation he was charged under, and if it was him posting it on social media. If he didn't post it, and just acted like a dick, that's a bit different.

I don't think there are enough charges of this type to have a punishment matrix drawn up to refer to.

 

[purplenose]

I think the ban is too much, and 50k is nothing to him, a. Couple of days wages - I think fines should be proportional to the ability to pay.

And I clearly didn't equate the kkk burning a cross to Bernard's tweet.

Its the principal of the fine. If anything he should be getting damages for slander.

 

[Marvin]

If City players score at CFC, show an image of Bernardo. It would be particularly good if Mendy did it.

City fans I hope will be singing Bernardo's name.

 

[Blue Theatre]

I don't think the "Powers that Be" quite know how to handle these cases.

Officially brand someone a racist, and it's an accusation / blight on that person's character from which they'll never recover.

But ignore the incident and you're seen as at best, weak ... at worst, tacitly condoning it.

The result is that they end up fudging it by saying " Well, what you did was racist ... but you're not racist yourself".
As we've seen with Hennessey, Bernardo, etc.

It's a bit of a minefield ?

 

[threadkiller]

Its the principal of the fine. If anything he should be getting damages for slander.

I disagree - I think the ban was too much, but the fine, although eye watering for us, is a slap on the wrists for him - enough to make a statement to the world though. The fine and no ban would be the ideal outcome for everyone, in light if the fact that the tweet was sent and received with no malicious intent.

 

[purplenose]

I disagree - I think the ban was too much, but the fine, although eye watering for us, is a slap on the wrists for him - enough to make a statement to the world though. The fine and no ban would be the ideal outcome for everyone, in light if the fact that the tweet was sent and received with no malicious intent.

How is it right to be fined when he did nowt racist?

Imagine being up in court and being found not gulilty and the beak says but i am fining you 50 quid just to keep the prosecution sweet. Its ridiculous.

 

[threadkiller]

How is it right to be fined when he did nowt racist?

Imagine being up in court and being found not gulilty and the beak says but i am fining you 50 quid just to keep the prosecution sweet. Its ridiculous.

I made a post earlier, but I'll copy it here so you don't have to search:

The problem is the wider context. I 100% agree that Bernardo meant nothing malicious by his tweet - but what about everyone else? There are racists and bigots in the world. How do you respond to some school kid using a similar meme, or the office bigot, targeting a black kid or black guy respectively. Because now they hide behind the justification that it's just a joke - look Bernardo Silva Did the exact same thing, and no one made anything of it. And now this behavior, however innoculous, is normalised. And then in a couple of months or a couple of years, the next controversy will arise, and the argument will be 'well this isn't so much different from Silva's tweet, why should we allow that and not this?". The waters become muddied,more gray areas. Racism thrives in the gray areas, few people are overtly racist nowadays, but not taking action, making a stance allows the boundaries of what we as a society consider acceptable to be pushed more and more. And that makes it shittier for everyone!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

How is it right to be fined when he did nowt racist?

Imagine being up in court and being found not gulilty and the beak says but i am fining you 50 quid just to keep the prosecution sweet. Its ridiculous.

He wasn't because the charge was not "did something racist", and he wasn't found not guilty. He admitted the offence!

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

I think the Wayne Hennessey case makes for a more compelling argument than the size of any fine. The FA accepted in that case that Hennessey didn't know what a Nazi salute was, which is quite obviously untrue, and dropped the charges. In Bernardo's case they accepted that "the player did not have any knowledge of the historical connotations of the Conguitos character", but banned him regardless. It smacks of double standards to me.

This all day long!!

 

[Rochdale Blue]

Literally every sentence in that is bollocks.

Did I excuse UEFAs punishment of Bulgaria? No. Did I condone 2 city players being vilified? No I didnt even mention Sterling.

If you want to have an argument where you get to make up what the other person says, I'd suggest an imaginary friend.

What I actually said (I'll repeat it even though you likely wont read it) is that its fucking idiotic to compare fines from 2 different and separate governing bodies and asking why Liverpool didnt get punished for supporting Suarez- something that literally no one has ever been punished for - is also fucking stupid.

You're imagining things yourself and seem to have anger management problems, something that seems very common among the self righteous. I'll leave you to wallow in your self imposed indignation.

 

[Marvin]

He wasn't because the charge was not "did something racist", and he wasn't found not guilty. He admitted the offence!

They charged him with insulting Mendy on the grounds of race or colour. What's the difference?

Their conclusion is garbage because Mendy was not offended and if they accept that Bernardo Silva was not aware of the historical background to the character, and intended no insult then what are they doing?

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Mandatory for such a charge witha guilty verdict - in the regs, I think.

Yep, but which 'holier than the fuckin' rest of us' wallah is gonna deliver the 'education' so that Bernardo can become a better person than the wankers at the FArce deem him presently to be! Let him or her without stain be the first to cast a stone!!

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

They charged him with insulting Mendy on the grounds of race or colour. What's the difference?

Their conclusion is garbage because Mendy was not offended and if they accept that Bernardo Silva was not aware of the historical background to the character, and intended no insult then what are they doing?

Screwing money out of people. PiGMOL screws points off us; the FArce screw money off us!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

They charged him with insulting Mendy on the grounds of race or colour. What's the difference?

Their conclusion is garbage because Mendy was not offended and if they accept that Bernardo Silva was not aware of the historical background to the character, and intended no insult then what are they doing?

No, they didn't. They charged him with acting in a way prejudicial to the game (or bringing the game into disrepute) - that's roughly what the E3(1) reg is.

There is no need for any offence to be taken, for the reasons @domalino has explained. Ignorance can be mitigation, and they have addressed all the points in their statement. The act itself is enough, as he has 600000 followers (apparently).

I think (but can't be certain) that much of this is driven by the odd nature of the FA being an autonomous body who don't have anyone obvious to answer to, and as a result they try to adhere to relatively high guidelines.

 

[meeesh]

It would be good,(but not going to happen),if Mendy tweeted or let it known that he had gone halves on the fine,that would shut the fuckers up,and make them look proper twats,however all players have plenty money,so £50k a drop in the ocean I suppose to them,but still would show even more solidarity I guess

 

[FootballSense]

Bernardo Silva

Below is extracted from The Telegraph and The Guardian

" City will not appeal against the independent FA commission’s decision because of the possibility that Silva’s punishment could be extended, though the club believe the tariff was too high (for a number of reasons).... The Portuguese was given a one-match ban due to the mitigating circumstances articulated in the commission’s ruling."

The FA commission also laid out the mitigating factors taken into account. “The player did not have any knowledge of the historical connotations of the Conguitos character. His tweet was not intended by him to be either racist or offensive in any way. The tweet was promptly deleted by the player.

The regulatory commission added: "Moreover, the player had himself grown up in a country where both the brand and the character were familiar and considered inoffensive."

“The player made an early admission in full cooperation with the disciplinary process. The player has an exemplary character and disciplinary record.”

Mendy, who is a good friend of Silva, had written to the commission to make it clear he took the tweet in the spirit intended by the player. On the same day as the tweet in question, Silva posted: “Can’t even joke with a friend these days … You guys …”

The player and his club have taken steps themselves to ensure that the player has a greater understanding of his responsibilities on social media.

The City manager, Pep Guardiola, had previously said on 25 September, "Bernardo is one of the most lovely people I have ever met in my life,” “He speaks four or five languages – that is the best way to understand how open-minded he is – and one of his best friends is Mendy. He is like a brother for him. The image for the two is not about the colour of the skin.”

 

[kaz7]

America, eh?! Fuck me, we are reaching for someone, something, some other, so we don’t have to look at ourselves and realize WE are the problem!

I obviously live in America and am aghast when I come back to England that every commercial in TV during the day is either car insurance or “do you have an insurance claim.” Come over to the States some time and and see the difference. Yes, we have a few major car insurers vying for your business, but the whole “have you been injured in the job?” bullshit is relegated to a few shit commercials in a few shit channels on the overnight programming... and doesn’t run on a constant loop all fucking day!

And, lastly, I have never seen such snowflakes as I see every time I come back over to Blighty!!! Every word has some hidden meaning that is now forbidden and you can actually get into serious trouble for saying some of them! But, not to worry, eh, it’s the damn Yanks....where freedom of speech actually exists...although it is starting to get very British, with people getting all sensitive about everything! First Amendment...thank goodness!

Stop frothing,i am talking about how we follow you in everything,you started off we everyone talking about their feelings and having therapy,being offended by everything,sueing the fuck out of everyone for breaking a toe nail,our culture follows yours as we always have,america loves trump,i rest my case

 

[Deleted member 77198]

I think the Wayne Hennessey case makes for a more compelling argument than the size of any fine. The FA accepted in that case that Hennessey didn't know what a Nazi salute was, which is quite obviously untrue, and dropped the charges. In Bernardo's case they accepted that "the player did not have any knowledge of the historical connotations of the Conguitos character", but banned him regardless. It smacks of double standards to me.

Anyway, the club and Silva have accepted the punishment, albeit reluctantly, so I think there's little point in dwelling on it. Time to draw a line under it and move on. Hopefully Bernardo can recapture the form he showed last season.

Double standards or dropped standards because of who he plays for.