General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

There's a Labour MP who has just said on Breakfast tv that when she knocks on doors she is sick of hearing people complain of being charged £50 a month for 1MB broadband. Now, obviously I can't prove it, but I reckon THAT is a lie, or not the whole truth.

She was referring (or trying to) the cost of Broadband in rural areas which is notorious for its slow upload / download times. Difficult to get her point across as the two male MPs kept talking across her.

 

[urban genie]

Echo chambers mate.

Social media is an echo chamber and those that use it for politics see tweets or facebook posts as conformation of their own opinions and ideas.

My favourite is people using social media like crack coke addicts to tell us how social media has lied to us and made us vote a particular way.

Its absolutely fucking hilarious.

Many of us are not even on the platforms and but for this forum wouldn't see a tweet.

Unfortunately it is a social media age and more and more parties will use it.

Add to that the echo chambers exist as people are more comfortable with agreement than denate and so block/mute thos ewho don't have the same opinion, something I find stupid, I refuse to block/mute/ignore those opposed to me I would rather argue my case than pretend they don't exist

Gone are the days of a car with a speaker driving round the streets.

 

[Len Rum]

See Jennifer's kicking off again this morning.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

That etc's doing a lot of work in that post.
Broadband to every home is surely a good thing, is it the 'free' bit you don't like?

I don’t like the free to all, no problem with free to those that can’t afford it .

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Unfortunately it is a social media age and more and more parties will use it.

Add to that the echo chambers exist as people are more comfortable with agreement than denate and so block/mute thos ewho don't have the same opinion, something I find stupid, I refuse to block/mute/ignore those opposed to me I would rather argue my case than pretend they don't exist

Gone are the days of a car with a speaker driving round the streets.

somebody better then me must dig out the Tory boy clip of his mum driving him round canvassing.....

it’s a classic.

 

[journolud]

Bored if all this Twitter shit
Especially the labour supporters tweeting shit that only labour supporters will like
Same with Tory’s to an extent

These people don’t understand that the majority of people are neither right or left wing
They don’t want stupid shit like free broadband and 4 day weeks (which won’t happen)
They want streets to be safe, etc

Are you speaking for yourself or the nation?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

She was referring (or trying to) the cost of Broadband in rural areas which is notorious for its slow upload / download times. Difficult to get her point across as the two male MPs kept talking across her.

They didn't cross talk her at that point. Like I said there'll be exceptions but the majority will be able to get slow broadband at the same prices everyone can, or fast broadband at the prohibitive prices using satellite or bespoke cabling solutions. She combined the two issues.

 

[Chippy_boy]

One problem with that reply.
You state that Brexit would have been an utter disaster under Miliband.
But Brexit would not have happened under Milband - his policy was no referendum (and therefore Remain) had Labour won in 2015.
Despite your strong support for Remain you nevertheless stated that Brexit under the Tories was still preferable to Remain under a Milliband Government.
The conclusion being that your tribal support for the Tories was stronger than your support for Remain.

You seem be oddly vexed about something which is really not at all complicated. And there's nothing "tribal" about believing in a certain set of principles, Len.

1. Remain under the Tories would be my preferred option.
2. Brexit under the Tories 2nd best. Not great but we'll cope.
3. Remain under Labour, disaster, absolutely horrendous.
4. Brexit under labour unmitigated disaster, off-the-scale bad.

 

[Coatigan]

I rest my case.....





Sunrise in Oxshott on the 15th was 7.21am

1. Sunrise time in Oxshott, Surrey
   
   
   
   07:21
   • 17 November · Sunset 16:10 · Daylight 9 hours

They cant do anything but lie.

For a second i thought you were pointing out the voter age stereotype.

Can you unleash potential? if it isnt fulfilled, surely it is still just potential, leash or not.

 

[Coatigan]

That's obsessive. You're looking for a lie where there isn't one. The tweet doesn't say "it's 6.30 now", he's saying he got there or arranged to meet at 6.30. Obviously they did something else until the sun rose for the photo.

a) i think it was a joke.

b) it certainly does imply it. If it said 'since' you'd maybe have a point. Not that ot matters, a bit immaterial, but since we are being pedantic..

 

[Chippy_boy]

Are you speaking for yourself or the nation?

I think based on what he said, speaking for the nation is a pretty safe and reasonable conclusion.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

a) i think it was a joke.

b) it certainly does imply it. If it said 'since' you'd maybe have a point. Not that ot matters, a bit immaterial, but since we are being pedantic..

Think the limitations of Twitter mean he just summarised but you want to assume "Down at Oakshott station at 6.30am ..." to mean "I am down ..." but I just read it as "I was down ..." or "We were down ...". All about whether you view it in the present or not.

Either way you can't say "Look at this liar" or pretend it's a joke because if it was, to the poster, don't give up the day job.

 

[Len Rum]

You seem be oddly vexed about something which is really not at all complicated. And there's nothing "tribal" about believing in a certain set of principles, Len.

1. Remain under the Tories would be my preferred option.
2. Brexit under the Tories 2nd best. Not great but we'll cope.
3. Remain under Labour, disaster, absolutely horrendous.
4. Brexit under labour unmitigated disaster, off-the-scale bad.

Could you answer the same question for Remain under an Ed Miliband Labour Government because that was the question you were asked back in the day.
( your last option does not apply in this scenario).

 

[Chippy_boy]

Could you answer the same question for Remain under an Ed Miliband Labour Government because that was the question you were asked back in the day.
( your last option does not apply in this scenario).

Fucking disaster, obviously. Remain under Blair might have been about as far as I'd push it, and even that, probably not, no.

You've probably (very reasonably) forgotten Len, but i wavered between Remain and Leave for many months back in 2016. When I finally came down of the same side as Remain, I got caught up in it all - it's indeed very tribal. But having come to the conclusion that we must get it done, and having switched sides, I am much more relaxed about it. Back in 2015 I would *infinitely* have preferred leaving the EU under the Tories, to a Milliband government and us staying in. That's a dead easy decision for me. I think Labour ideology - especially hard left Labour - is completely flawed and hugely damaging. End of.

 

[west didsblue]

Fucking disaster, obviously. Remain under Blair might have been about as far as I'd push it, and even that, probably not, no.

You've probably (very reasonably) forgotten Len, but i wavered between Remain and Leave for many months back in 2016. When I finally came down of the same side as Remain, I got caught up in it all - it's indeed very tribal. But having come to the conclusion that we must get it done, and having switched sides, I am much more relaxed about it. Back in 2015 I would *infinitely* have preferred leaving the EU under the Tories, to a Milliband government and us staying in. That's a dead easy decision for me. I think Labour ideology - especially hard left Labour - is completely flawed and hugely damaging. End of.

Brainwashed by bullshit.

 

[blueinsa]

Brainwashed by bullshit.

Cheer up.

Soon have a majority brexit parliament and it will be over with.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Brainwashed by bullshit.

Thinking that leaving is the least worst option isn’t necessarily as a consequence of anything other than a reasoned conclusion in the absence of the type of outside influence to which you allude.

 

[blueparrot]

Cheer up.

Soon have a majority brexit parliament and it will be over with.

Not anytime soon.

 

[blueinsa]

Not anytime soon.

Majority pro brexit parliament?

Real soon.

 

[blueparrot]

Majority pro brexit parliament?

Real soon.

Either there will be a majority and we go into transition and extensions while we negotiate, or there won’t be a majority, predicting which is a fools game but either way it won’t be over for a good while.