General Election - December 12th, 2019

Who will you vote for in the 2019 General Election?

  • Conservative

    Votes: 160 30.9%

  • Labour

    Votes: 230 44.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 59 11.4%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 13 2.5%

  • Brexit Party

    Votes: 28 5.4%

  • Plaid Cymru/SNP

    Votes: 7 1.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 21 4.1%
  • Total voters
    518
Tb1981 said:
I see brexit party giving Corbin a nosebleed


Unfortunately while it resulted in a huge turnout of people voting on the issue it just highlighted why the main parties have zero interest in what people want

They want to peddle a “manifesto” to win votes then do whatever they deem is best for you

Load of bollocks if you ask me
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Can't see it the BP have nosedived from around 10-13 when the election was called to about 5 or 6 %. By election day they could be fairly irrelevant. What votes they do get will hurt Johnson as much as Corbyn. The thing is Corbyn can't form a government best he can hope for is a hung parliament where any damage it does to Johnson could be the difference between government and a hung parliament.
A hung parliament will see the end of Corbyn and Johnson. Don't think either party can do any worse than the current 2 leaders.
 
More Johnson lies

[URL='https://twitter.com/DPManchee']DPManchee@DPManchee[/URL]
On #Ridge:
@BrandonLewis
warns about
@jeremycorbyn
support for Russia over novichok attack. Also today from Guardian/Observer: a meeting between
@BorisJohnson
and Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB officer, did take place one month after novichok attack. He says nothing to see here.
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Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
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BREAKING: Boris Johnson flew to Italy without his security detail & met ex-kGB agent 2 days after NATO summit to discuss Russia sanctions. New story from me & @TownsendMark https://theguardian.com/media/2019/...er-lebedev-without-security-after-nato-summit
 
Blue Hefner said:
Genuine question - what would you like them to do to show they understand the ‘feelings’ of those based in the north? But please bear in mind they actually have to get in power to enact these potentially attractive polices and the only Labour leader to do that in 30 years is Tony Blair - he won 3 on the spin but people say he isn’t ‘traditional’ Labour

But even putting that to one side, what is the alternative? Tory or Brexit Party? Hand on heart can anyone say Johnson, Mogg, Farage, Mogg’s sister, Dr David Bull(he’s no longer a doctor), Widdocomme etc have the interest of the North in mind?
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What I will say is Iraq aside I believe Blair did what he could (not popular opinion I know) ie nhs minimum wage good Friday and had appealed to the masses.
He is a bellend now who proves power went to his head and ignores referendums

They could start by understanding that 17.4m people didn’t vote for brexit due to being thick, racist, not knowing whAt they voted for etc
They voted for a range of issues.
They could say we will implement brexit and then here are our plans for what will make the country better after

There is a whole country outside north London
 
blueinsa said:
The wife thinks so.

Labour loses to a Tory majority and Corbyn goes.

Who is elected leader?

Do you go back to the centre, a formula that led to the most successful labour governments under Blair with stonking majorities or do you go left again, this time even more so?

Who do the likes of McCluskey crown next?
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They will probably go for a bloke even further to the left of Corbyn, if one can be found. If one cannot, he may well stay

Theu fucked up when they thought the reason Millband wasn’t voted in was because he wasn’t Left enough. I quite liked Milliband, he seems nice enough if slightly out of his depth. Corbyn is definitely out of his depth but doesn’t seem particularly like-able

Corbyn’s legacy will be the man who singlehandedly let the worst Tory Government ever have almost 10 years in power without being able to land a serious blow on them - history will not judge him well
 
For balance.

labour plans for free tier one dental is a brilliant idea.

So much of your general health can be affected by poor dental health and many, myself included in the past have said i couldn't afford to go and suffered because of it.

Excellent idea imo.
 
bluethrunthru said:
More Johnson lies

DPManchee@DPManchee
On #Ridge:
@BrandonLewis
warns about
@jeremycorbyn
support for Russia over novichok attack. Also today from Guardian/Observer: a meeting between
@BorisJohnson
and Alexander Lebedev, a former KGB officer, did take place one month after novichok attack. He says nothing to see here.
Quote Tweet

ZAIcCXFJ_normal.jpg


Carole Cadwalladr
@carolecadwalla
· 1h
BREAKING: Boris Johnson flew to Italy without his security detail & met ex-kGB agent 2 days after NATO summit to discuss Russia sanctions. New story from me & @TownsendMark https://theguardian.com/media/2019/...er-lebedev-without-security-after-nato-summit
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Post your own fucking opinions and stop acting like a fucking BOT on here will you ffs.
 
blueparrot said:
Can't see it the BP have nosedived from around 10-13 when the election was called to about 5 or 6 %. By election day they could be fairly irrelevant. What votes they do get will hurt Johnson as much as Corbyn. The thing is Corbyn can't form a government best he can hope for is a hung parliament where any damage it does to Johnson could be the difference between government and a hung parliament.
A hung parliament will see the end of Corbyn and Johnson. Don't think either party can do any worse than the current 2 leaders.
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Possibly but I see labour areas with high leave votes deserting in droves
I don’t think the polls are reflecting this
I think they might get 10-20 seats which would hurt labour
 
George Hannah said:
The achievement of McCluskey's & Co's Labour Party is to have created a new membership in its own image. They aim only to satisfy appetites of their own creation and conceal the true nature of the beast from the rest.
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Sadly, the only achievement of them will be a perpetual Tory government that moves further and further to the right with absolute impunity. Say what you like about Blair and Kinnock but they did realise that the only way to change anything was to be in power. The only way to be in power was to get elected. These bozos seem almost offended at the prospect of winning a general election that isn’t ‘pure’. Still, they can do what they do best and shout across the floor from the opposition benches once again. If Johnson doesn’t get a majority but Labour lose seats and vote share they’ll claim it as a victory, so that’ll be alright then. What a shower they are.
 
Tb1981 said:
What I will say is Iraq aside I believe Blair did what he could (not popular opinion I know) ie nhs minimum wage good Friday and had appealed to the masses.
He is a bellend now who proves power went to his head and ignores referendums

They could start by understanding that 17.4m people didn’t vote for brexit due to being thick, racist, not knowing whAt they voted for etc
They voted for a range of issues.
They could say we will implement brexit and then here are our plans for what will make the country better after

There is a whole country outside north London
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And what about the 16 odd million who voted to Remain and those now old enough to vote or those that have changed their minds? Should they ignore them?

What if they feel that Leaving the EU will damage the communities which you speak of even more? Go through with it anyway?

I think Blair speaks a lot of sense re Brexit. We’ve 2 options, in his view and they are pointless or painful

Leaving but staying closely aligned is pretty pointless as we will lose our place at the decision making table but will have to follow the rules anyway. And the painful option into ripping up 40 years worth of agreements. Blair is pretty much where Farage is on the two options, but they obviously disagree on that the final destination should be
 
The perfect fumble said:
Labour isn't going to win this election, there might be a hung Parliament but my money is on a modest Tory win.

Corbyn will go and will be replaced with someone younger from the left of the party, but a further move to the left? No.

Excuse the pun, but there is no momentum for it, the party is presently headed by a socialist but the Labour Party is not a socialist party. Corbyn, for all the criticism is by continental standards a very modest left winger and he will be replaced by someone similar, there's very little appetite with the British electorate for a firebrand socialist, I think that's something you and I can agree on, I suspect even rascal reluctantly believes that.
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Long-Bailey or Rayner would be my request as both come across as capable leadership material.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
If you think that people are as obsessed as you are about 'Class' then you must have spent most of your life in
a Duffle coat with a Che Guevara T shirt underneath.
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Post imperialism, class is the single biggest factor in our decline as a country, it has prevented this great nation from utilising the talents of all its citizens.

I could quote you studies that categorically prove this, but you'd not read them, not surprisingly you prefer your class stereotypes and caricatures, which rather proves my point.
 
blueinsa said:
Post your own fucking opinions and stop acting like a fucking BOT on here will you ffs.
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Quite the bully aren't we.

The post was to a source illustrating Johnson's lies.

Haven't read the article but I do believe that the meeting took place as there were many witnesses. The story has been in the public domain for a while. He flew Easyjet I think.
 
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Blue Hefner said:
And what about the 16 odd million who voted to Remain and those now old enough to vote or those that have changed their minds? Should they ignore them?

What if they feel that Leaving the EU will damage the communities which you speak of even more? Go through with it anyway?

I think Blair speaks a lot of sense re Brexit. We’ve 2 options, in his view and they are pointless or painful

Leaving but staying closely aligned is pretty pointless as we will lose our place at the decision making table but will have to follow the rules anyway. And the painful option into ripping up 40 years worth of agreements. Blair is pretty much where Farage is on the two options, but they obviously disagree on that the final destination should be
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They can fob them off with a 4 day week and free broadband
Job done
 
The perfect fumble said:
I haven't looked too closely at either of these potential candidates, but on the surface you're right, they look to be in with a good shout.
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I watched Rayner speak in Blackpool the other day and thought she did very well indeed.

Its quite telling that many on the front bench, Gardiner, Abbott, Starmer and Thornberry etc are literally nowhere to be seen in this campaign?
 
The Light Was Yellow Sir said:
Sadly, the only achievement of them will be a perpetual Tory government that moves further and further to the right with absolute impunity. Say what you like about Blair and Kinnock but they did realise that the only way to change anything was to be in power. The only way to be in power was to get elected. These bozos seem almost offended at the prospect of winning a general election that isn’t ‘pure’. Still, they can do what they do best and shout across the floor from the opposition benches once again. If Johnson doesn’t get a majority but Labour lose seats and vote share they’ll claim it as a victory, so that’ll be alright then. What a shower they are.
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It does make you wonder what the point of this Labour Party actually is, because it certainly isn't to govern. There appears to be zero sense of realism within the party's membership.
 
George Hannah said:
I'm sorry mate but that's taking the empathy tack way too far for me. None on the front bench comes near to being capable. Yvette Cooper is the only candidate with a chance of rescuing the Labour Party.
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I think they have to be given some slack mate and an opportunity to develop.

I see two individuals that are comfortable in front of the camera and good speakers.

Could they lead a Labour party back towards a form of politics that can gain a majority again is the question?

Cooper is never getting the gig imo with momentum or the unions.
 
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