Keir Starmer

Rascal said:
A labour party that stuck to a Bennite position would have won. There is no point in a Blairite labour party, no point at all.
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No point other than lower levels of homelessness than under any Tory government of the last 40 years, record investment in the NHS and shorter waiting times than any Tory government ever, record investment in state education.

Winning 3 landslides. The only Labour leader to win an election in 50 years. That’s the point.

It’s got to be better than lurching to the far left and losing 4 elections in a row and getting the worst result in 100 years?

The Daily Mail was still the Daily Mail in 1997. It didn’t matter, because the people voted for something better than the Tories. They will vote for something better than the Tories again if you give them the option. But Marxism is not it. People don’t want it.
 
markbmcfc said:
The country needs a center-left Labour party with a strong leader. Not sure who falls into that. Starmer? Benn? Cooper?
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David Milliband.

Should have won 10 years ago when Brown got battered for going too far left.

But Len McClusky decided the answer was to go further to the left and appointed Ed. Then he got battered.

So Red Len and the Momentum 1970s Students Union decided the answer was to go FURTHER left and appointed Comrade Corbyn. And then he produced the worst result in 100 years.

Len McClusky and Unite are as much to blame for Brexit and the Bozo landslide as Nigel Ferage is. They just can’t see it and prefer to blame the Daily Mail.

It’s 10 wasted fucking years on an ideological vanity project. It has to stop today.

Get David Milliband back in the country, win a by-election and let’s have a fucking sensible, legitimate left of centre option because I still believe that’s the majority of people in this country sit, they just don’t have an electable option.
 
Lucy Powell might be a good shout.

Those asking for Raynor need to ask what has she actually done. She was the one moaning about respectful politics and moaned about being called looney left and her tweets are incredibly disrespectful and personal towards the PM.

Failsworth voted Conservative. It’s only the Ashton and Droylsden vote that got her elected on a much reduced majority. She’s a lucky girl to get back in as she has achieved nothing of note.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Certainly not a leader who has publicly opposed leaving the EU, dismissed leave voters opinions and actively campaigns to remain.

Benn is not the right choice if Labour wants to reconnect with the vote they've just emphatically lost.
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You seem to be assuming that supporting brexit is the only route to power. I disagree, support for brexit has been tracking at sub 50% for the last year at least.
 
Gaudion M said:
You seem to be assuming that supporting brexit is the only route to power. I disagree, support for brexit has been tracking at sub 50% for the last year at least.
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I'm talking immediate campaigning.

Leave voters won't forget this in a hurry. It wasn't just Labour leavers, Labour lost, it was wider, moderate leave voters. You want to get that support back? People like Phillips, Benn, Starmer, Thornberry are NOT the way forward. It's like nothing has been learned!
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Certainly not a leader who has publicly opposed leaving the EU, dismissed leave voters opinions and actively campaigns to remain.

Benn is not the right choice if Labour wants to reconnect with the vote they've just emphatically lost.
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I know what you are saying, but surely the brexit ship debate has sailed on. Political leaders need to move on from that debate? Benn is an astute politician and he speaks very well. It would clearly be up to him if he wanted to take on the challenge of moving the labour party to the center left of British Politics.
 
As half the PLP are female it should be a female leader.

I'd like to see Raynor win it. A Northern, no shit taking lass will chew Boris up and spit him out. Just waiting for Murdoch to promote his mate Jess Phillips for the role .
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
I know what you are saying, but surely the brexit ship debate has sailed on. Political leaders need to move on from that debate? Benn is an astute politician and he speaks very well. It would clearly be up to him if he wanted to take on the challenge of moving the labour party to the center left of British Politics.
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Bt people remember.

Look if no-one wants to listen, fine, but I'd be one of many who wouldn't support Labour if he's the leader, and I feel others feel the same way as he would seek to reverse the decision to leave and promote rejoining.
 
Pick someone likeable and they're halfway there. Then employ an amazing media/tech team (for TV and online), then that's pretty much it.

Doesn't matter if they tell lies and spread disinformation, doesn't matter if they say or do awful things. Just have a team there ready to cover it up.


Unfortunately the above will alienate people like me who just want people to be honest and get behind what they believe. However, that is current politics and that is what wins.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Bt people remember.

Look if no-one wants to listen, fine, but I'd be one of many who wouldn't support Labour if he's the leader, and I feel others feel the same way as he would seek to reverse the decision to leave and promote rejoining.
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Fair enough, so I take it you wouldn't support any of the current Labour front bench then? Who would you have?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Bt people remember.

Look if no-one wants to listen, fine, but I'd be one of many who wouldn't support Labour if he's the leader, and I feel others feel the same way as he would seek to reverse the decision to leave and promote rejoining.
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You're in a double bind then, all the cosy Blair lookalikes were/are remainers.

I'll be happy if you can correct me, but can you think of a nice, cosy leaver in the Labour Party?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I'm talking immediate campaigning.

Leave voters won't forget this in a hurry. It wasn't just Labour leavers, Labour lost, it was wider, moderate leave voters. You want to get that support back? People like Phillips, Benn, Starmer, Thornberry are NOT the way forward. It's like nothing has been learned!
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The Labour vote was down 6% and the Tory vote up 3% in Remain voting seats. The problem wasn’t Brexit, it was Corbyn.
 
Shaelumstash said:
The Labour vote was down 6% and the Tory vote up 3% in Remain voting seats. The problem wasn’t Brexit, it was Corbyn.
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Never said it was solely down to brexit. Don't know where you got that from.

But people remember the opinions and comments of people like Thornberry, Abbott, Gardner, Starmer, Benn etc. Feel like i've had to make the same comment three times now.
 
mat said:
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She's certainly not a GILF
 
The perfect fumble said:
You're in a double bind then, all the cosy Blair lookalikes were/are remainers.

I'll be happy if you can correct me, but can you think of a nice, cosy leaver in the Labour Party?
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No I can't and that is the problem with Labour.

It's completely out of touch with a large portion of it's support.
 
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