Var debate 2019/20

[meltonblue]

You forgot the lines pal. He's further off than Pukki & Sterling were in similar situations.

To be fair, neither of those are accurate, on both of them the lines are quite clearly skewed. Whoever did them doesn’t understand perspective, which is why if you look at the first one on the line, it starts about a fifth of the way into the darker patch and ends up a third of the way into it. The second one is even more dodgy, given they’ve just done it as a straight line perpendicular to the left side and ended up with a huge diagonal on the right.

They actually back up Salah being onside given the manipulation required to make it look like he isn’t, so I wouldn’t be using those as proof!

Im not sure if he was or wasn’t as the findings weren’t fully show, which is dodgy itself. I err on it not being a conspiracy though, given they’ve had ample other occasions and not done similar.

 

[kaz7]

Its conflicting with lines as well though mate.

But for that very reason I agree, a transparent VAR-check was sorely lacking.

That was sky's line that took the 30 mins to make up,it is not a var checklook at the grass,it's clearly not a proper line,a statement was put out during the game that var had checked it,it was given in a few secs which is not possible for a full var check,the won't show us the check and it was every bit as close as the ones in other games,they were caught in a lie

 

[foxbox123]

VAR Makers say its use "should not be forensic"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50944416

"If video evidence shows that a player was in an offside position, he was offside full stop. If it's not obvious, then the decision cannot be changed, you stay with the original decision."

Talk about making things even more ambiguous. So even if VAR show a player to be offside by the letter of the law, there are times when this cannot be given because someone has deemed it not "obvious".

 

[give it to gordon]

How about it's only of side if the part of the body that scored the goal is off side ?!. So a players arm pit is off side but the foot he scored with is on side , ......or should I just go back to the sherry hic !

 

[cleavers]

I was for var but i didn't forsee it being used to cheat,

Many flagged it though, many.

VAR Makers say its use "should not be forensic"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50944416

....and it shouldn't, but worse still is fiddling with it every week to respond to the outcry its getting, and now discussions about changing the laws (in some cases rightly) to suit VAR.

The tail wagging the dog !

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Funny how the Beeb are hammering the Mousset offside as the prime example that needs to be changed with regards to not using VAR so forensically when it was the most obvious offside overturned all weekend. Not using the Pukki or Sterling ones but one to try and paint us as the beneficiaries when it was clearly one with daylight so correct to overturn it.

It's the one call everyone could agree was clear and obvious to overturn yet it's the one used above all others to supposedly demonstrate where VAR is "wrong". Typical media. Nothing will change with their changes except Sterling will still be screwed but Mousset's would have counted.

 

[kaz7]

I remember that. I'm not arguing against the people officiating or running VAR being incompetent. I think they are.
Im arguing against people here yelling "conspiracy" every time something happen involving either us or teams they don't like.

I'm also arguing against the hostility shown towards the people that don't share their opinion

They have every single view,it was clear to the naked eye,MOTD and pundits agreed,they lied not having the right angle,why do they keep lying?

 

[cleavers]

How about it's only of side if the part of the body that scored the goal is off side ?!. So a players arm pit is off side but the foot he scored with is on side , ......or should I just go back to the sherry hic !

On offside its actually quite simple, if any part of the scorer is ONSIDE the player is deemed onside.

 

[meltonblue]

That was sky's line that took the 30 mins to make up,it is not a var checklook at the grass,it's clearly not a proper line,a statement was put out during the game that var had checked it,it was given in a few secs which is not possible for a full var check,the won't show us the check and it was every bit as close as the ones in other games,they were caught in a lie

That is how it should look against the grass though

 

[alexmcity]

The thing is we can all see liverpool are a very good team, but they have been directly involved in many decisions reference diving, offsides for and against given/not given, and constant fouls and their players not being penalised, and let’s not forget they have been involved in many games with one goal margins where those decisions are vital.

In my opinion due to our very indifferent form we would still be behind them, but there would be a 3/6 point margin involved instead of where we find ourselves now.

I really find it hard to understand that genuine posters think there has been a level playing field this season regarding City and liverpool, the decisions are so obviously weighted for one team it’s just blatant now.

My thoughts too. Even if the point margin was 8-9 the situation would be different.

 

[kaz7]

Many flagged it though, many.


....and it shouldn't, but worse still is fiddling with it every week to respond to the outcry its getting, and now discussions about changing the laws (in some cases rightly) to suit VAR.

The tail wagging the dog !

Yep they did,i argued the toss for months with @greasedupdeafguy i tagged him ages ago to say he was right,it's very disappointing how fucked up it is

 

[Barcon]

To be fair, neither of those are accurate,

Correct. The issue is that there doesn't seem to be any images from the official VAR, which begs the question, "which one did they use"?
It seems we all know the answer.

 

[ScottSinclair]

That was sky's line that took the 30 mins to make up,it is not a var check,a statement was put out during the game that var had checked it,it was given in a few secs which is not possible for a full var check,the won't show us the check and it was every bit as close as the ones in other games,they were caught in a lie

That is fair and I don't disagree with any of that.

I posted the pic in response to someone asking for lines, trying to prove that even with lines you can make it conflicting depending on angles. In my opinion, he is well onside. But I shouldn't have acted like it was as obvious as I said it was. I definitely agree that a real VAR check was sorely missing in this instance, and I admitted to that.

My original point is that VAR being "bent" or "corrupt" shouldn't be the main narrative on this forum. People should be allowed to think that, but people that doesn't see it that way, shouldn't have to answer to wum accusations in every discussion they take part in. In my opinion VAR has been a farce. Not because of corruption, because as I have said I don't see any evidence for it. And no one on this forum has evidence, they just have a strong opinion they won't move away from. And that is fine. But I rather read discussions on how to make var better than the same comments about everyone getting favored over us everytime.

 

[Bluesince1979]

How about it's only of side if the part of the body that scored the goal is off side ?!. So a players arm pit is off side but the foot he scored with is on side , ......or should I just go back to the sherry hic !

All the theories of what should and shouldnt be offside are redundant because technology cant absolutely say when the ball left the passers foot.
so daylight, feet only, whatever, it doesnt matter because they have no idea when the ball was passed

 

[give it to gordon]

All the theories of what should and shouldnt be offside are redundant because technology cant absolutely say when the ball left the passers foot.
so daylight, feet only, whatever, it doesnt matter because they have no idea when the ball was passed

This 100% as Gallagher said yesterday they cant say when the ball started its pass !! I am surprised there hasn't been more made of this in the press after he said that !

 

[kaz7]

That is how it should look against the grass though

I think the point really is it was as tight as others that have had the full var treatment,they said they did it,won't produce it with the time stamp and sky took 30 mins to produce their own line which can't be proved to be correct,that and the handball oliver didn't see(bad habit when reffing us) the game stunk,they have the tech,they didn't use it and lied about it,we sent in an official complaint about that game,we are not a club to do something like that,i'm sick of them lying,not to mention the head of var calling rodders a diver,they want a history club to win the title this year,pep and the players have hinted they know they score,we might never have won it this year but i'm betting with pep having done it before we stood a reasonable chance
I'm getting paranoid!

 

[quiet_riot]

Many flagged it though, many.


....and it shouldn't, but worse still is fiddling with it every week to respond to the outcry its getting, and now discussions about changing the laws (in some cases rightly) to suit VAR.

The tail wagging the dog !

Agree.

Best case scenario I can see is that we are stuck with it for this season, and it is fucked off at the end. However, I doubt they will want the dippers' win to be so obviously tainted.

 

[Bill the Blue]

Trust me, while I might be wrong about what I write, i'm pretty fucking far from looking like the most stupid poster in these discussions[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ..!

You are coming across as arguing black is white for the sake of it..

All becoming a bit tiresome..

I'm right, I'm right, I'm right..! Fucking laughable..!

You've been called out on Salads offside and shown up for Eric's handball.!

You seem to be up the dippers arse regarding anything VAR related..

Did you go to the match yesterday?

Good win for your boys, looks like you're winning it this year..!

 

[Cheesy]

JUST GET FUCKING RID!

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK IF REFEREES GET SOME DECISIONS WRONG, I JUST WANT TO BE ABLE TO CELEBRATE A GOAL WHEN IT'S SCORED WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S A MINOR INFRACTION IN THE PREVIOUS 5 FUCKING MINUTES THAT MAY LEAD TO THE GOAL BEING RULED OUT.

 

[kaz7]

This 100% as Gallagher said yesterday they cant say when the ball started its pass !! I am surprised there hasn't been more made of this in the press after he said that !

Walton on bt says thy have a threshold for var but he doesn't know what it is despite being the spokesman for it lol