Pep Guardiola - 2019/20 Performances

[bondsman]

Play Dinho CM and everything will improve.

 

[alexmcity]

The enthusiasm of young players should not be underestimated.

I agree with that, you make some good points. Pep wants a settled team though and that's right too. Liverpool are the definition of a settled team, heleped by lack of injuries to key players.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I don't know and I can't be arsed to look it up but by Phil's age he'd figured in a similar amount of games with the main differences being that he was trusted to start league games, had played in a Champions League final and was well on his way to figuring in a second.

That's playing as a defender too which is a much, much bigger risk than someone in Phil's position. They trusted him because he showed the talent early on. Phil showed the talent and we just said "okay, cool, but there's an imaginary pecking order where you'll have to wait your turn regardless of whether or not the ones ahead of you stop performing".

Same goes for Garcia. Nobody can say with a completely straight face that Otamendi and Stones should be anywhere near the team on merit. They're total fuck ups and they have the knack for undoing everything the team has been holding onto by inexplicably fucking right up in moments where basic common sense should apply. Garcia came in, looked solid and composed and he just gets shunted to the back of the pack because he's younger than everyone else.

And that's not even to say he's been perfect because he did make a few mistakes but those were nothing more than wrinkles in need of ironing out. .

Now you're telling me that we don't have time to "experiment", by which you presumably mean to let both of them gain experience. Of course they don't! They've had months for that but the manager has denied then every reasonable opportunity to make the step up. It's entirely his fault that they aren't perceived to be ready for bigger games.

Agreed. It is frankly bordering on negligent that we have two or three extreme talents amongst our younger players that cannot get game time. It is stubbornness.

If foden, garcia, or thb decide to leave I couldn't and wouldnt blame them. If we then go out and spend ANOTHER 50-80 million on either of their positions, whilst watching them go from strength to strength with a competitor that would be solely on the manager. Particularly when we need at least one new striker , probably two, for whom we would need to pay 80-100m for one top level operator.

This is a huge summer coming up. If pep renews and we go big it could signal the birth of a new period of dominance. If we then spend it chasing defenders and technical midfielders instead of strikers whilst watching two of the best talents around rotting on the bench it could be the beginning of the end.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

We and Liverpool are in totally different scenarios though. We've built a team that had huge success and wants the CL now. Liverpool, when they trusted TAA, were building a team and were winning fuck all when TAA was Garcia's age. Midfield is a zone where experience matters the most. When was the last time a teenager started a CL final in midfield?

We are not building for the future nowbut trying to squeeze as much from this team as possible. When Pep leaves, then we will have the freedom to experiment more. Even if Pep stays, Foden and Garcia are likely to play more next season if they show they deserve to play.

We won't experiment when Pep leaves, we'll make signings to back the new man up. Garcia will be further down the pecking order next season when we sign at least one more centre back. Phil will more than likely get similar appearance numbers in similar dead rubber games once we sign a David Silva replacement.

I don't mean to ignore your question but I wouldn't have a clue how to look up the last teenager to start in midfield in a Champions League final. I wonder who the last teenager defender was before Alexander-Arnold, though. Exceptional talents should always be allowed to rise to the surface rather than suppressed.

Here would be my question for you and one which thankfully requires no research: if we get knocked out against Real Madrid with the same experienced players failing to show up once again, do you think these two should be given their chance for the rest of the season and how disappointed would you be if they aren't?

 

[alexmcity]

Here would be my question for you and one which thankfully requires no research: if we get knocked out against Real Madrid with the same experienced players failing to show up once again, do you think these two should be given their chance for the rest of the season and how disappointed would you be if they aren't?

They should absolutely be given the chance, I like both of them a lot and get a bit angry when Dave gets the nod over Foden despite recognising his legendary achievements with us.

 

[01cravend]

The point I’m trying to make is if we start playing one team for the league and another team for the cups then there is even less chance of ironing out the problems. There is still loads to play for with 3 trophies and we haven’t guaranteed champions league qualification

This is the time to try to get some momentum and regain a winning mentality Barring injuries/suspensions this is achieved by fielding the strongest team available

So we can only play youth at the end of every season when our place in the league ect is secure?

Can't play youth but if we spent 50mil on a player in the jan window and started him that would be fine?

 

[Tugay One Cup]

They should absolutely be given the chance, I like both of them a lot and get a bit angry when Dave gets the nod over Foden despite recognising his legendary achievements with us.

Okay then we're on the same page for the most part. Where I reckon we differ is the fact that I think they should have been given a proper chance months ago.

 

[meeesh]

Play Dinho CM and everything will improve.

Yup,and you don't have to be the best coach in the world to understand this needs to happen surely

 

[alexmcity]

Okay then we're on the same page for the most part. Where I reckon we differ is the fact that I think they should have been given a proper chance months ago.

We still harboured hopes that the dippers would go through a bad period and we wanted to be there to capitalise on their expected mistakes. If we knew earlier what was going to happen, I'm sure Garcia and especially Foden would have played more.

 

[Ederson's smiley tattoo]

If he continue to play 433 with Gundog as a 8 we're out against Madrid before the games have even started

 

[jay_mcfc]

We have won 9 out of 19 games when Gundo and Rodri play together. This is the crux of the problem which I thought he figured out a few games ago but now we've reverted back to trying it again. We don't have the legs as a team to accommodate this partnership.

Our midfield three basically has to be one of Rodri / Gundogan with one of Foden / Bernardo with one of KDB / Silva. Any other combination and we risk the possibility of being overran and conceding goals with very few chances.

It's not about individuals it's about the balance of the team and the energy and tempo they play with. Bernardo has been brilliant a couple of times recently yet he gets left on the bench when he's in form and he positively affects the balance of the team.

The annoying and predictable thing is that when it comes to Madrid we all know he's gonna do this again and we'll lose despite having more shots, more possession etc. The really worrying thing is that pep is making the same mistakes over and over and if he does do that v Madrid then I really don't know where we go from there.

 

[mosssideblue]

Pep Guardiola on the length of time he was in the dressing room: "I was talking with my staff, my wife, and some players."

Doesn't sound good

I dont believe what he said for one moment

 

[mosssideblue]

He won’t trash them out of it either.

Oh he will, and he has admitted that what he does

 

[EdersonsSmiley]

Play Dinho CM and everything will improve.

Based on what?

 

[kwm1988]

They trusted their most talented teenager to be a first team regular and look at him now, he's the best right back in the league.

Maybe if we had the bollocks to trust our most talented academy product with regular minutes then he'd also make an impact.

It's not like we're asking Pep to start kids for the sake of it.

Honestly think if TAA came through our academy instead of Liverpool’s we wouldn’t of give him a chance .
He would probably be in Same boat as Foden now .
I love pep and his time here’s been amazing , but the one massive gripe I’ve got is the reluctance to play young players from the academy.
Foden been a member of the squad since 17/18 , remember he came on last ten minutes in caraboa cup final vs Arsenal , has anything changed really since then ?
He still gets a token five or ten minutes when a games dead and buried usually.
Plays cup games (when the oppositions poor eg united semi final only got few minutes at the end at OT) every couple of months .
Say what you want about Sancho but clearly he made the right decision leaving when he did, him and Foden came up together both of similar high potential , while Sanchos gained invaluable experience in the bundesliga and champions league ,playing every week becoming one of the best young players in the world .
Foden stagnating, and to be frank hasn’t really progressed at all , This is down to Pep,
When he has played well in a cup game Zagreb home and away , port vale in the cup , he’s dropped the next game anyway.
Last season when we were fighting Liverpool to the death for a title fair enough , we were playing great and I could understand not taking the risk there .
But what’s the excuse this season ?
We’ve been shite for the most part, Gundogan David and Bernardo all out of form at different times, leagues been gone for couple months , comfortably in top four , and he still can’t get a run of games , bit of a joke , and it would be a seriously sad day for the club if we lost a potentially world class local city fan like Foden due to not giving him a chance .
I wonder how much more patience he will have .

 

[Kazzydeyna]

Honestly think if TAA came through our academy instead of Liverpool’s we wouldn’t of give him a chance .
He would probably be in Same boat as Foden now .
I love pep and his time here’s been amazing , but the one massive gripe I’ve got is the reluctance to play young players from the academy.
Foden been a member of the squad since 17/18 , remember he came on last ten minutes in caraboa cup final vs Arsenal , has anything changed really since then ?
He still gets a token five or ten minutes when a games dead and buried usually.
Plays cup games (when the oppositions poor eg united semi final only got few minutes at the end at OT) every couple of months .
Say what you want about Sancho but clearly he made the right decision leaving when he did, him and Foden came up together both of similar high potential , while Sanchos gained invaluable experience in the bundesliga and champions league ,playing every week becoming one of the best young players in the world .
Foden stagnating, and to be frank hasn’t really progressed at all , This is down to Pep,
When he has played well in a cup game Zagreb home and away , port vale in the cup , he’s dropped the next game anyway.
Last season when we were fighting Liverpool to the death for a title fair enough , we were playing great and I could understand not taking the risk there .
But what’s the excuse this season ?
We’ve been shite for the most part, Gundogan David and Bernardo all out of form at different times, leagues been gone for couple months , comfortably in top four , and he still can’t get a run of games , bit of a joke , and it would be a seriously sad day for the club if we lost a potentially world class local city fan like Foden due to not giving him a chance .
I wonder how much more patience he will have .

The other crime would be if (when?) Foden were to leave we would probably let him go for peanuts. 10 or 15m.

If we lose another gem in Foden the manager and Txiki would need to pay with their jobs. And if not then even Khaldoon would need to do some serious explaining.

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

Honestly think if TAA came through our academy instead of Liverpool’s we wouldn’t of give him a chance .
He would probably be in Same boat as Foden now .
I love pep and his time here’s been amazing , but the one massive gripe I’ve got is the reluctance to play young players from the academy.
Foden been a member of the squad since 17/18 , remember he came on last ten minutes in caraboa cup final vs Arsenal , has anything changed really since then ?
He still gets a token five or ten minutes when a games dead and buried usually.
Plays cup games (when the oppositions poor eg united semi final only got few minutes at the end at OT) every couple of months .
Say what you want about Sancho but clearly he made the right decision leaving when he did, him and Foden came up together both of similar high potential , while Sanchos gained invaluable experience in the bundesliga and champions league ,playing every week becoming one of the best young players in the world .
Foden stagnating, and to be frank hasn’t really progressed at all , This is down to Pep,
When he has played well in a cup game Zagreb home and away , port vale in the cup , he’s dropped the next game anyway.
Last season when we were fighting Liverpool to the death for a title fair enough , we were playing great and I could understand not taking the risk there .
But what’s the excuse this season ?
We’ve been shite for the most part, Gundogan David and Bernardo all out of form at different times, leagues been gone for couple months , comfortably in top four , and he still can’t get a run of games , bit of a joke , and it would be a seriously sad day for the club if we lost a potentially world class local city fan like Foden due to not giving him a chance .
I wonder how much more patience he will have .

I can't remember Foden ever having a bad game. One or 2 anonymous performances, sure, but he puts in as much effort & contributes as much as any other player. He's the perfect replacement for Dave, but he doesn't get anywhere near enough minutes.

Considering he's not only a City fan, a Manchester lad & has been at the club since day 1, Pep called him the 'most talented player' he's ever worked with it's bizarre. As you said, it's not like we're scrapping it out for top spot. Is he Messi, no, but surely he can get games over Gundogan or Dave. Sancho, a £100mil+ player gone for peanuts. Don't blame him for wanting to go Dortmund, but you do wonder if he'd have stayed if he was at Liverpool, Spurs or even Chelsea/United.

Garcia, Sancho, Foden, Denayer, Angelino, Brahim - honestly, do you think Klopp could get most of those into the core of a team? I reckon so.

 

[blue61]

I can't remember Foden ever having a bad game. One or 2 anonymous performances, sure, but he puts in as much effort & contributes as much as any other player. He's the perfect replacement for Dave, but he doesn't get anywhere near enough minutes.

Considering he's not only a City fan, a Manchester lad & has been at the club since day 1, Pep called him the 'most talented player' he's ever worked with it's bizarre. As you said, it's not like we're scrapping it out for top spot. Is he Messi, no, but surely he can get games over Gundogan or Dave. Sancho, a £100mil+ player gone for peanuts. Don't blame him for wanting to go Dortmund, but you do wonder if he'd have stayed if he was at Liverpool, Spurs or even Chelsea/United.

Garcia, Sancho, Foden, Denayer, Angelino, Brahim - honestly, do you think Klopp could get most of those into the core of a team? I reckon so.

The answer if Klopp would is NO. Lets have a look at Liverpool team of today..TAA yes one academy player who is a regular. You could argue Gomez but he only got in because Matip was injured and as soon as Matip is back 100% I expect Gomez to be back on the bench. We had no choice with Sancho don't forget he wasn't even 18 when he decided he wanted a move, not feasible for any team chasing the title to make them regulars at that age, as for the rest they would be cup players at best

 

[Sir Joe Aguero]

The answer if Klopp would is NO. Lets have a look at Liverpool team of today..TAA yes one academy player who is a regular. You could argue Gomez but he only got in because Matip was injured and as soon as Matip is back 100% I expect Gomez to be back on the bench. We had no choice with Sancho don't forget he wasn't even 18 when he decided he wanted a move, not feasible for any team chasing the title to make them regulars at that age, as for the rest they would be cup players at best

Academy, maybe, but if you look at the team, Henderson, Wijnaldum & Robertson were all relegated. Shaqiri too. Matip was a free. Yes Matip was injured, but so was Laporte, and we could have given Garcia game time there instead of Fernandinho. Gomez was £3.5mil from Charlton and looks better than Stones. Lovren was seen as a joke. Yeah they've spent money in the past few years, but he takes 'lesser' players and vastly improves them.

Sancho maybe would have wanted to move to guarantee game time, but Klopp would have played him. He uses 3 CMs/DMs, but he'd probably play Foden too.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Yeah they've spent money in the past few years, but he takes 'lesser' players and vastly improves them.

To be fair, everyone said similar about Pep until this season. Sterling turned into one of the best in the world, David Silva and Fernandinho had their most influential seasons and finally got the recognition they deserved outside of our fanbase and Aguero vastly improved outside the box. They might not have been "lesser" players but he certainly took them to new heights. He turned Delph into a serviceable left back for a while and he somehow got a great season out of Otamendi.

Nearly every player he works with, even Mangala in a recent interview, will talk openly about how much they learn from Pep and everyone could see and acknowledged how the players seriously raised their game under him.