Var debate 2019/20

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Was just coming in to post this.

My assumption is that they will do what many of us have previously suggested on here and just thicken the position line set on the second-to-last defender — if the (unchanged) position line on the relevant attacker is in or behind the defender line, they are onside.

I know some argue it is just moving the line, which in a way it is, but at least this change recognises and *attempts* to mitigate the margin of error inherent in these decisions using VAR (i.e. video frame rates and 3D mapping on 2D images systems).

And it is in keeping with the spirit of the offside rule: benefit of the doubt going to the attacker.

so the Sterling will be 4cm and the Salah line 300m. Will just be like the refs who walk 8 steps for one team's freekicks and 11 for the other's.

 

[SebastianBlue]

Hmmm i don't trust them to move the lines and it make any difference,going back to daylight will only do for me,they can't hide day light

Can’t disagree with the distrust — as you know, I don’t trust the league, FA, UEFA, or FIFA further than I can throw them off the Beetham Tower.

But, at this point, if they actually do as they say, I do think it will help with *better* offside assessments, even if there is still considerable room for improvement beyond this modification.

 

[SebastianBlue]

so the Sterling will be 4cm and the Salah line 300m. Will just be like the refs who walk 8 steps for one team's freekicks and 11 for the other's.

The thickness will be preset and it’ll likely be very easy to tell if they are varying it.

This doesn’t solve the frame rate issue (e.g. which is the correct frame to choose for the release of the ball from the passing player), and few other issues, but if implemented fairly, it should improve assessments.

Again, with incremental change, that is generally as good as it gets.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

The thickness will be preset and it’ll likely be very easy to tell if they are varying it.

This doesn’t solve the frame rate issue (e.g. which is the correct frame to choose for the release of the ball from the passing player), and few other issues, but if implemented fairly, it should improve assessments.

Again, with incremental change, that is generally as good as it gets.

mate they draw the fucking line where they want, Chelsea at home proved that when it ran diagonally from somewhere near Zouma's arse to just conveniently collide with Raz.

Not to mention the fact they don't even bother to check properly at Anfield.

The only solution is to put me in charge, simples.

 

[SebastianBlue]

mate they draw the fucking line where they want, Chelsea at home proved that when it ran diagonally from somewhere near Zouma's arse to just conveniently collide with Raz.

Not to mention the fact they don't even bother to check properly at Anfield.

The only solution is to put me in charge, simples.

Start the petition, we’ll all sign it.

As long as you are locked in the VAR room... ;-)

 

[kaz7]

Can’t disagree with the distrust — as you know, I don’t trust the league, FA, UEFA, or FIFA further than I can throw them off the Beetham Tower.

But, at this point, if they actually do as they say, I do think it will help with *better* offside assessments, even if there is still considerable room for improvement beyond this modification.

They said under pressure that the refs can use the monitors,have they? the are also under pressure from the governing body for VAR so they have to say something,they will still decide not to check the dipper offsides but still spend 3 mins on ours
At this point i trust nothing about pigmol

 

[SebastianBlue]

They said under pressure that the refs can use the monitors,have they? the are also under pressure from the governing body for VAR so they have to say something,they will still decide not to check the dipper offsides but still spend 3 mins on ours
At this point i trust nothing about pigmol

I am just analysing the proposed modification, I obviously can’t say if they’ll actually do it as described.

You know my (very explicit) thoughts on how VAR was implemented and used this season, though.

 

[kaz7]

I am just analysing the proposed modification, I obviously can’t say if they’ll actually do it as described.

You know my (very explicit) thoughts on how VAR was implemented and used this season, though.

I enjoy your posts but much of it goes over my head ,i can just about analyse the different between salt and vinegar and cheese and onion crisps lol

 

[SebastianBlue]

I enjoy your posts but much of it goes over my head ,i can just about analyse the different between salt and vinegar and cheese and onion crisps lol

To be fair, that is a vital life skill.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

My ERO has just informed me that VAR costs £9k odd plus VAT per game.

 

[Saxmundham Blue]

My ERO has just informed me that VAR costs £9k odd plus VAT per game.

Yep just seen that - £9,251 plus VAT per game

Thats over £6k per hour for a man in a portakabin and a few monitors

Who comes up with that price? - robbing bastards

 

[cheekybids]

My ERO has just informed me that VAR costs £9k odd plus VAT per game.

I’m certain they’ve found a way to cover the costs.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Yep just seen that - £9,251 plus VAT per game

Thats over £6k per hour for a man in a portakabin and a few monitors

Who comes up with that price? - robbing bastards

Isn't Old Mother Riley a funeral director when he's out of the PiGMOL office? Question: What shall we charge the clubs for us looking at the monitor and making sure the teams on this A List get screwed over, Mike?" "Let me see, Jonny, what did I charge for the last burial? Er, oh yes, £9250, that'll do nicely, and don't forget the ubiquitous VAT!!"

We could have the 4th official holding up a banner and we could get some poor buggers to sponsor the Ass Refs flags - VAR + VAT!

 

[toffee balls]

The thickness will be preset and it’ll likely be very easy to tell if they are varying it.

And if they don’t bother showing it ala Salah’s, what then.

 

[SebastianBlue]

And if they don’t bother showing it ala Salah’s, what then.

Then we know they aren’t using VAR, like any time we play Liverpool this season.

It’s strange people think I am defending VAR, when I’ve been one of the most vocal critics of it from the beginning and one of those that have stated that the current implementation/use is just designed to aid in the manipulation of match outcomes.

I am just analysing how this change *should* help improve VAR offside assessments, not that it will if they decide not to actually do it as described.

 

[toffee balls]

I’m on board with you pal.

It is getting and will continue to get better.
PIGMOL cannot continue to have it all ways though , all tight calls need to be shown both to the match day crowd and the TV audience.
Liverpool and United should be told to lose the seats and fit the system, period.

 

[SilverFox2]

Then we know they aren’t using VAR, like any time we play Liverpool this season.

It’s strange people think I am defending VAR, when I’ve been one of the most vocal critics of it from the beginning and one of those that have stated that the current implementation/use is just designed to aid in the manipulation of match outcomes.

I am just analysing how this change *should* help improve VAR offside assessments, not that it will if they decide not to actually do it as described.

The idea of it is fine but their reluctance to show the ref or the public the evidence that either agrees or overturns a ref decision makes everyone suspicious.

 

[Steve ireland]

I guess the real question is whether we'd be happy if VAR was removed or would we be moaning even more about offsides not seen or given incorrectly, penalties not given or given by mistake, certainly the shithousing in the penalty area which has all but ceased would return with knobs on, personally I think with a few tweaks here and there it's far better with VAR

 

[mat]

I guess the real question is whether we'd be happy if VAR was removed or would we be moaning even more about offsides not seen or given incorrectly, penalties not given or given by mistake, certainly the shithousing in the penalty area which has all but ceased would return with knobs on, personally I think with a few tweaks here and there it's far better with VAR

As Keith Hackett keeps saying. Stick to the actual IFAB rules and it will be fine. PiGMOL have decided to use their own rules and getting away with manipulating matches because of it.

 

[kaz7]

Someone has had enough

Pep Guardiola on the missed penalty vs Spurs: “In the Champions League, it would be retaken, but in England there is a new rule. The referees spoke with my team and said they don’t care and the goalkeeper can go forward and they will not disallow it..."

“So, in one country, it is one way and, in another, it is another way. That’s the situation. I’m not in the meetings any more. In Europe, you would have to repeat the penalty, but in England? No. Here, they say the keepers can do that." #MCFC | @ManCity