UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[Silva_Spell]

Does the severity of the sanction play a little bit into City's hands with the CAS? It looks vindictive.

They're probably hoping a 2 year ban will be difficult for CAS to overturn completely.

 

[urban genie]

FFP was bent from day one, was supposed to prevent debt and clubs spending within their means.

Don't we essentially have one debt on the stadium lease which is around 66 million.

Rags are 700 million in debt
Arse 200 million
Scousers over 100 million

If people invested in us, and were associated with our owner it shouldn't matter, as long as that investment was to keep a club trying to break into the elite from amassing big debts and so stop another leeds happening, eufa should inly object to investment if they are warlords or drug cartels for example, which nine of ours is.

What should matter is we are not spending beyond our means and creating debt.


Let is go to court beyond CAS and show uefa up for the corrupt cartel of 6-7 clubs thst it is.

 

[Newman Noggs]

Then how do you explain PSG got a sanction together with City in 2014 if Platini was giving a special protection to the french club ?

You just have to read UEFA rules to understand the differences in the case and why/how they are trying to trap City.

-PSG case : inflated sponsorship from related parties. It has been dealt with according to their rules :

BREAK-EVEN REQUIREMENT
Notion of relevant income and expenses

1 Relevant income and relevant expenses are defined in Annex X.

2 Relevant income and expenses must be calculated and reconciled by the licensee to the audited annual financial statements and/or underlying accounting records and to the projected break-even information if applicable.

3 Relevant income and expenses from related parties must be adjusted to reflect the fair value of any such transactions or, for player transfers between clubs that are related parties, the value in accordance with Annex X

PSG sponsors from related parties have been investigated again and again and the value adjusted to the "fair value". After that, PSG balanced the account to cover the difference by selling players.
Hence why they couldn't sanction. They have to follow their rules.



-In City case, the leaks have given them ammunition to say City have breached those rules :

The licensee must:
a) cooperate with the licensor and the UEFA Club Financial Control Body in respect of their requests and enquiries;

b) provide the licensor and the UEFA Club Financial Control Body with all necessary information and/or relevant documents to fully demonstrate that the monitoring requirements are fulfilled, as well as any other document requested and deemed to be relevant for club monitoring decision-making, by the deadline set by the licensor and/or the UEFA administration (the reporting entity or combination of entities in respect of which information is required must be the same as for club licensing);

c) confirm that all the submitted documentation and information are complete and accurate;

d) promptly notify the licensor in writing about any subsequent events that constitute a significant change to the information previously submitted to the licensor, including a change of legal form or legal group structure

And by subsequently adjusting the contract to their new "fair value", they have artificially put you into break even deficit.

Then City has accused UEFA of having breached on of their own rules :

The licensor must:

a) communicate the deadlines of the monitoring process to the licensee;

b) cooperate with the UEFA Club Financial Control Body in respect of its requests and enquiries;

c) as a minimum assess the monitoring documentation in accordance with Annex IX;

d) assess and confirm to the UEFA Club Financial Control Body that the selected reporting perimeter is the same as used for the fulfilment of the club licensing criteria and is appropriate for club monitoring purposes;

e) inform the UEFA Club Financial Control Body of any relevant information submitted by the licensee in respect of club monitoring requirements and any event occurring after the licensing decision that constitutes a significant change to the information previously submitted by the licensee.

In carrying out these responsibilities, the licensor ensures equal treatment and guarantees full confidentiality of all information provided.


It is not hard to follow if you read UEFA rules. No need to put Platini into the discussion. If there are leaks pointing to PSG doing the same thing, you can be sure Tebas and the cartel and the media will push (he is already doing it now) for another investigation and further due sanctions.

I like your posts mon ami but I',m not sure now is the right time to tell us how hard done by PSG are. We're all agreed that FFP is football's real shame.

 

[nellyonthewing]

The usual suspects crawl from under their stones......

IAN HERBERT: Manchester City have established a reputation as a grubby club with under the table dealings... UEFA's two-year Champions League ban is SO right.

IAN LADYMAN: If Manchester City have won trophies by CHEATING the system then we must put an asterisk against their success and question how long Pep Guardiola will stick around
By Ian Ladyman for MailOnline.

[All part of the scam.

 

[sky_blue]

Pivotal moment in the history of European football. We know we're not guilty. The cartel is afraid of losing power and eventually getting swallowed whole by sharks. This is their fight back. It's up to the board if they want to roll their pony tails and pout or burn the entire system to the ground. I hope it's the latter. We've suffered on the sidelines long enough. Playing nicely is for the weak and for far too long, we've tried to keep the status quo happy. Not anymore. Fuck the bin dipping scum, fuck the rag cnuts, fuck the German Liverpool, fuck the lot of them. The day these rats bastards will be brought to justice for tarnishing the club's name will be the most glorious day in this club's history.

 

[urban genie]

not sure what that has with what I said. I said IF he runs away, I won't look at him with same eyes. I don't have idea what he talks with club, just feel that it would felt as betrayal of his spanish duo friends, khaldoon, SM and all at club that made him feel like a deity of football.

I don't think Pep will go tbh, but if he did for this reason then he would go down in my opinion of him as a man rather than as a coach, through thick n thin we stick together should be the mindset of all at the club now, we knew uefa and some clubs have been guning for us so let's not give them the satisfaction of a win.

 

[BosnianBlue]

Exactly. It’s likely our reputation is tarnished for ever. Every game we win will be followed by the inevitable snidey comment. I feel a part of my soul has died.

it was always like that, they're just bit more open and public now. Head up, in the big scheme of things, fuck them and what they think, as long as we get through this without serious financial implication, losing players etc., they can all fuck off. Everybody hates Milwall, but II doubt they give a shit about it.

 

[dronefromsector7G]

Haha priceless.

What’s French for ‘piss off’?

 

[Don Karleone]

Ian Ladyman and Ian Herbert must never again be allowed through our doors

Depends on what kind of doors

 

[Newman Noggs]

Pivotal moment in the history of European football. We know we're not guilty. The cartel is afraid of losing power and eventually getting swallowed whole by sharks. This is their fight back. It's up to the board if they want to roll their pony tails and pout or burn the entire system to the ground. I hope it's the latter. We've suffered on the sidelines long enough. Playing nicely is for the weak and for far too long, we've tried to keep the status quo happy. Not anymore. I'm invested in this to the hilt. The day these rats bastards will be brought to justice for tarnishing the club's name will be the most glorious day in this club's history.

I think it's also the moment when the penny finally drops with the neutrals that no matter what their club does, it will never be allowed to compete, the whole thing is a sham. I've had two texts tonight, one from a Leeds fan and one from a Pompey fan both disgusted and the Pompey fan said his "dream just died".

 

[Silva_Spell]

Fucking ingrates. Whilst we're considering FFP in all.its guises, let's have a look at who would have won the Premier League in the last 20 years if City hadn't come along to disrupt the cartel.

2000/1- united
2001/2 - Arsenal
2002/3 - united
2003/4 - Arsenal
2004/5 - Chelsea
2005/6 - Chelsea
2006/7 - united
2007/8 - united
2008/9 - united
2009/10 - Chelsea
2010/11 - united
2011/12 - united
2012/13 - united
2013/14 - liverpool
2014/15 - Chelsea
2015/16 - Leicester (God bless 'em)
2016/17 - Chelsea
2017/18 - united
2018/19 - liverpool
2019/20 - liverpool

Most competitive league in the world ? Essentially, without us 20 years of the same 4 Champions League clubs divvying up the title every year except one. And without sustained investment Leicester were fucked.

The Premier League should be down on bended knee thanking us for saving their shit show of a rigged "competition".

No way do Leicester win the PL without City (& Spurs) blowing up the "Sky 4"

 

[Parisian]

Haha priceless.

Yup. I'm sure you are right and PSG is protected.

Not like the same guys after City dislike PSG with a passion too. You know already about Tebas but you just have to look at Panja past tweets about PSG to know his "love" for the club. Since he is reporting in the same way for both City and PSG, i can only deduct his sources have the same disdain for our clubs.

When we lost against Rennes last year in French Cup, he tweeted only to highlight the difference of budget between the club. Information of no added value for a journalist, if not for showing his disdain.

 

[dhruvblue]

UEFA have done what they could, it's up to us, either we sit out of that shit bent competition (Players won't like it bcoz even if fans hate that bent competition, players love that and dream of winning that?) Or 2-Just expose everybody, since we are going out we well take a few down with us

 

[Parisian]

I like your posts mon ami but I',m not sure now is the right time to tell us how hard done by PSG are. We're all agreed that FFP is football's real shame.

No problem.

I'm not crying over PSG. We didn't get done like City. This ban of 2 years is absolutely MENTAL. I knew they would sanction you but i wasn't expecting 2 years as the sanction. I'd be raging if i was a citizen.

Just wanted to expose the difference between the case because i have seen a lot of people asking why City and not PSG.

My only hope is for you to go show the mockery of this FFP decision. I'm already reading the United fans salivating about the fact the 5th place will be qualifying for CL. They aren't even in position of finishing 5th though.

City has done nothing wrong and nothing that could lead to prison, nothing unlawful, contrary to the tax dodgers in Spain. The irony of the situation.

 

[ManCitizens.]

Just think, we got 3 years less than Liverpool got for mass murder of football supporters.

 

[doobyedoobye]

I don't think Pep will go tbh, but if he did for this reason then he would go down in my opinion of him as a man rather than as a coach, through thick n thin we stick together should be the mindset of all at the club now, we knew uefa and some clubs have been guning for us so let's not give them the satisfaction of a win.

It depends on whether he feels misled by the board.

 

[nellyonthewing]

Why would we want to continue in a ‘rigged’ competition run by a corrupt organisation? Really why the hell would we. Pull out of it tomorrow, go to war with eufa. If any player can’t hack it well fuck right off-this is the biggest slur on our club in its history. So challenge in the Courts , ban reporters slandering us and tell eufa to fuck off.

 

[BlueBas]

Timing of this announcement is typical of UEFA, as we build towards a massive game against Madrid if we want to win the Chumps League! Expect refs that will break up play and award minor infringements against us to try to get us knocked out at this stage! Effed off does not begin to describe how I feel about UEFA & FFP! & Laterne is the same corrupt wanker who said PSG passed FFP despite buying Neymar & Mbappe in the same season, effectively giving PSG a bye when they appealed UEFA ban at CAS!

 

[Newman Noggs]

No way do Leicester win the PL without City (& Spurs) blowing up the "Sky 4"

Quite right !

 

[Blue Bogey]

“Fall seven times, stand up eight.”– Japanese Proverb