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johnnytapia said:
I'm a carnivore but always find it tricky that we say these things come from eating things we shouldn't. Is there a scientific reason that hygienically prepared dog is in any way worse than hygienically prepared beef? Is it purely hygiene or is there something inherently, medically "wrong" with eating things like cats, dogs, bats etc?
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All animals carry specific infections that we should know to avoid ,they eat animals they don't know anything about after havi ng them in cages with other species and barely cooked if at all in the street,i suppose we have a pet culture that they don't have so eating animals we share our houses with is wrong for us,i don't want to go on a veggie rant though!
 
email from one of my parents at school after I contacted him to check on welfare of his son:
Yeah thanks Sir , X is kicking a ball about and trying to occupy himself really difficult not allowing him to mix with other kids at moment especially when the other kids are all mixing outside but I've explained the severity of the situation to him thanks again

This is what we're up against.
 
johnnytapia said:
I'm a carnivore but always find it tricky that we say these things come from eating things we shouldn't. Is there a scientific reason that hygienically prepared dog is in any way worse than hygienically prepared beef? Is it purely hygiene or is there something inherently, medically "wrong" with eating things like cats, dogs, bats etc?
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It's just cultural norms. Some cultures think nothing of eating insects whereas most of us find the thought of that abhorrent.

On the other hand, some cultures find our habit of eating lamb, i.e. baby animals, really offensive. And yet most if us give it little or no thought.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Ok, that’s fair comment on your second point. I expressed myself clumsily. By our actions or behaviour we have, at the very least, allowed it to proliferate. Is that about right?
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Yes, obviously. The root cause aka those wet markets must be put a stop to after this thing's over, or at least be heavily regulated even though I don't know how you'd do that with pangolins and bats.
As for the spreading after the initial outbreak, it's not difficult for a contagious virus to do the rounds. We allowed it to proliferate because we're human and it's a human virus, governments delayed actions notwithstanding.

I'm not rationally on board with the whole mother nature thing, even though it's a romantic perspective I can also adopt in some situations and it can be used for educational purposes.
 
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TonyM said:
I don't. I'd sooner believe in the existence of God than I would that some Earth spirit devised a way to punish humanity for the sin of over consuming resources.
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I believe there was an equilibrium that stood for hundreds of millions of years that we’ve completely overwhelmed in the space of around two hundred years, by our ingenuity and our greed. Any living thing, when attacked, will defend itself. I think that ‘equilibrium’ is fighting back.

You don’t follow that line of thinking - that’s fair enough. We can’t agree on everything. No way either of us can know with any certainty who right and who’s wrong about this either. It can’t be proven one way or the other.
 
worsleyweb said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-may-infected-half-uk-21748044

I know it is andectotal but the amount of people I have heard say they had the worst flu ever in the last two months would support the above theory.

If the above is correct maybe we could be further along the curve than we think and closer to the peak? Maybe clutching at straws but would be great news if true.
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I don't think it will change the peak but it will mean that % of deaths would be a lot lower than previously thought. Imagine if worldwide the death rate was even 1% rather than 3.5%.
 
My Mrs is due back at work tomorrow for a counter service hardware chain. Shes the manager and whilst they arent letting customers into the branch, she still has 3 work colleagues and her boss there. Any sales will be via click and collect only, outside the front of the branch. That's as maybe but the way these places are planned behind the counter there is minimal aisle widths so the team are likely to be within 2m of each other. She seems quite calm about it all and anything I say gets shut down with a snap. I asked her to wear a mask which we have and shes refused in the basis that she will be the only one wearing one, FFS these arent fashion items I told her. Am I being too overly concerned? I dont think I am tbh. Right now i feel like texting her divisional boss who i know as an acquaintance to tell him exactly what I think about it. Clearly She would not want me to do that but this is how strongly I feel about it. We have a 12 and 19 year old at home and I have mild COPD.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I believe there was an equilibrium that stood for hundreds of millions of years that we’ve completely overwhelmed in the space of around two hundred years, by our ingenuity and our greed. Any living thing, when attacked, will defend itself. I think that ‘equilibrium’ is fighting back.

You don’t follow that line of thinking - that’s fair enough. We can’t agree on everything. No way either of us can know with any certainty who right and who’s wrong about this either. It can’t be proven one way or the other.
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True that we can believe what we like but just know that if it was my mother who died from the virus I'd be highly insulted by anyone saying that it was her own fault for being human.
 
worsleyweb said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-may-infected-half-uk-21748044

I know it is andectotal but the amount of people I have heard say they had the worst flu ever in the last two months would support the above theory.

If the above is correct maybe we could be further along the curve than we think and closer to the peak? Maybe clutching at straws but would be great news if true.
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according to two experts on radio 4 this afternoon that is just not true.
If it was covid 19 where’s the spike in deaths?
 
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