COVID-19 — Coronavirus

[BlueAnorak]

The next thing we need is the ability to track and trace correctly. This needs to integrate
- Phone tower data.
- NHS app data (including bluetooth contact records).
- Bank expenditure records.
etc
Then to follow up on this information with the test wagons.

 

[cleavers]

They took a decision to stop testing in march ,that is on record the WHO shouted at us test,trace and isolate,at the start they did but that was Feb

So you dispute that we didn't have enough testing capacity then ?

We stopped testing randomly to focus on where it was actually needed, ie the seriously ill. As the numbers grew very rapidly, even the scientists said that contact tracing became pointless, and would have been an utter waste of those tests we did have. Its taken 6 weeks to get testing where it is now, and its still nowhere near enough even now.

 

[BlueAnorak]

That’s a good read, seems to be well researched. Also shows that’s the ‘official’ death totals we see are verging on pointless. Italy only recording deaths from confirmed cases.

There’s going to be a wealth on data in the next few months for people like this to look at.

FWIW I think we’ll end up a very similar outcome to France, Italy & Spain.

It looks like unless you lock down really early (Greece) or have the test and trace capability (Germany and South Korea) or control your borders (Taiwan) population density controls how it hits you and there isn't a lot you can do about it.

 

[BlueAnorak]

More testing would be my guess.
81k tested yesterday.

I think they're giving multiple tests to a lot of people to try and make the artificial deadline.
81,611 tests for 54,575 people.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Someone had better tell @denislawsbackheel

it’s bollocks.
It’s going through stage 1 tests now.
There is no way on earth that it will go through stages 2 and 3 and then be authorised in 5 months.
Oh and you’d better tell all the scientists who say the same as me and don’t have a financial interest in bigging up their claims.
And another elephant in the room - we have no capacity for large scale manufacture in the UK.
Read the Astra Zeneca release - they say they HOPE the UK can have first dibs at it if it works.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

The next thing we need is the ability to track and trace correctly. This needs to integrate
- Phone tower data.
- NHS app data (including bluetooth contact records).
- Bank expenditure records.
etc
Then to follow up on this information with the test wagons.

One concern re the track and trace app. How does that work if someone with corona coughs on a shelf at a supermarket then I visit an hour later and touch the same shelf. I don't know if there's a work around for this or if the app is perhaps limited in its capabilities?

 

[BlueAnorak]

One concern re the track and trace app. How does that work if someone with corona coughs on a shelf at a supermarket then I visit an hour later and touch the same shelf. I don't know if there's a work around for this or if the app is perhaps limited in its capabilities?

Its limited but they can identify where you go and have been.

Personally in times of medial crisis I dont think people should be allowed on to mobile networks without them enabling bluetooth or having a running NHS app in the background.
The privacy brigade will have a fit on this point but frankly there is a point where medical emergency trumps the right to privacy.

 

[Rammy Blue]

It looks like unless you lock down really early (Greece) or have the test and trace capability (Germany and South Korea) or control your borders (Taiwan) population density controls how it hits you.

I’d also say it depends on the kind of country and style of economy too - the U.K. being an international hub, London being an important financial district etc as opposed to Greece where in winter it’s not exactly getting much tourism. Blessing in disguise for the Greeks.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Its limited but they can identify where you go and have been.

Personally in times of medial crisis I dont think people should be allowed on to mobile networks without them enabling bluetooth or having a running NHS app in the background.
The privacy brigade will have a fit on this point but frankly there is a point where medical emergency trumps the right to privacy.

I 100% agree. I suppose something is better than nothing, despite its limitations.

 

[SWP's back]

it’s bollocks.
It’s going through stage 1 tests now.
There is no way on earth that it will go through stages 2 and 3 and then be authorised in 5 months.
Oh and you’d better tell all the scientists who say the same as me and don’t have a financial interest in bigging up their claims.
And another elephant in the room - we have no capacity for large scale manufacture in the UK.
Read the Astra Zeneca release - they say they HOPE the UK can have first dibs at it if it works.

Thought you’d go off on one.

 

[Claytop]

Only upto 5th April but shows what a good job Germany look to have managed.

 

[worsleyweb]

it’s bollocks.
It’s going through stage 1 tests now.
There is no way on earth that it will go through stages 2 and 3 and then be authorised in 5 months.
Oh and you’d better tell all the scientists who say the same as me and don’t have a financial interest in bigging up their claims.
And another elephant in the room - we have no capacity for large scale manufacture in the UK.
Read the Astra Zeneca release - they say they HOPE the UK can have first dibs at it if it works.

Astra Zeneca doing it not for profit.

 

[BlueAnorak]

I’d also say it depends on the kind of country and style of economy too - the U.K. being an international hub, London being an important financial district etc as opposed to Greece where in winter it’s not exactly getting much tourism. Blessing in disguise for the Greeks.

Yeah - I lumped that in with having control of your borders, but I admit there is a case for it being considered separately.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Totally agree.

I reckon it was caused by a man from bolton tryjng to make a smoothie out on old school tie and a skipping rope soaked in tuna oil.

Or any other random nonsense you care to invent. It's equally baseless and about as likely.

 

[Chippy_boy]

BMI is just a Corrolation. Diabetes and High Blood Pressure are the issues.

Perhaps, but my point stands. Why would people with insulin issues or cardiovascular issues end up in a cytokine storm???

 

[Marvin]

Perhaps, but my point stands. Why would people with insulin issues or cardiovascular issues end up in a cytokine storm???

High blood sugar impairs basic immune function and leaves diabetics generally vulnerable to infections.

 

[twosips]

Only upto 5th April but shows what a good job Germany look to have managed.

Imagine our government being that competent. Sigh.

 

[kaz7]

So you dispute that we didn't have enough testing capacity then ?

We stopped testing randomly to focus on where it was actually needed, ie the seriously ill. As the numbers grew very rapidly, even the scientists said that contact tracing became pointless, and would have been an utter waste of those tests we did have. Its taken 6 weeks to get testing where it is now, and its still nowhere near enough even now.

Obviously we are not Germany but we have plenty of scientists with labs,i seem to recall lots offered but we weren't buying tests,the rest of the world were buying tests,we left it too late,then couldn't get the chemicals etc,we took a decision to go out own way,imo it was the wrong one,just so you know my posts are not politically driven and interesting post,hopefully,from the Lancet from jan,testing was confused,late,we fucked up getting tests in

Blimey we really are at war aren't we,not sure if i am comforted or more alarmed after hearing this,fair play to the tories,boris is flounding but the others fucking well done

The whole issue of testing has been very confusing,they say different things every day,i think they were stung by the WHO getting exasperated when we went our own way

A GP was on telly his morning,she has been ill but couldn't get a test so she can't go back to work,one day they say they are testing if you have symptoms or have been with someone that has it you get the test,then it is patients in hospital only,yesterday they said GP's are doing them but they know nothing about it,now they are re-testing for antibodies,they are all over the place

I am no tory lover but this is a fucking good effort and it is only the start,they only have so much money afterall

Writing in The Lancet, Dr Richard Horton said warnings issued to bosses in the health service about a possible outbreak such as COVID-19 were ignored.
He said his own journal on 20 January pointed to the risk of a global pandemic, saying "preparedness plans should be readied for deployment at short notice, including securing supply chains of pharmaceuticals, personal protective equipment, hospital supplies and the necessary human resources to deal with the consequences of a global outbreak of this magnitude


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...d-chaos-and-panic-says-lancet-editor-11964955[/QUOTE]

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I reckon it was caused by a man from bolton tryjng to make a smoothie out on old school tie and a skipping rope soaked in tuna oil.

Funny you should say that...

 

[Claytop]

Imagine our government being that competent. Sigh.

Whilst they have no doubt handled it better than us they were already in a far stronger position to deal with it than us, they’re healthcare provisions far outweighed ours and most other European countries.