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Then why doesn't he just say that

because he can’t he would say

erm yeah 2 meters that’s about 7 foot isn’t it , yeah we think if outside , in the air not by tube , it might be ok , but it might not , we are guided by the science erm we can get through this , what was the question, oh yeah grandparents , I know my father is keen to see my new son, but we just have to stick together , viva la France
 
I must be misreading it then! If 1 in 500 show you have the antibody but, in fact, you don¨t, then, extrapolated across 68 million, we could have 136000 false results? How could 1 in 500 be classified as 100%? I thought the antibody test was a huge game-changer, and if we had a ¨100%¨ test, it¨d be all over the news.

The stuff i was reading last night actually classed it as 98%. But the article after, was explaining that in most cases it is accurate. It has been people who have had SARs/Coronavirus that causes the problems.
 
I must be misreading it then! If 1 in 500 show you have the antibody but, in fact, you don¨t, then, extrapolated across 68 million, we could have 136000 false results? How could 1 in 500 be classified as 100%? I thought the antibody test was a huge game-changer, and if we had a ¨100%¨ test, it¨d be all over the news.
What Karen said, for stats, but not sure any test can be really 100%, but if we can 99.8% the. It will be useful enough to take the risk of using it and hope the false positives are far enough apart to prevent any spread if they go on to catch it after believing they had antibodies.
 
What Karen said, for stats, but not sure any test can be really 100%, but if we can 99.8% the. It will be useful enough to take the risk of using it and hope the false positives are far enough apart to prevent any spread if they go on to catch it after believing they had antibodies.

well that’s a better test than the one we are using now which basically is fuck all
 
Another planet or they never go on the tube

Let's face it, you'd have to either (a) have had the disease and have recovered, or (b) be absolutely off your trolly to even consider going on the tube right now. It really is a complete no go area as far as anyone with an ounce of sense is concerned.
 
Yep it’s about 25% of the staff, but they are topping up their salaries to full pay. Think it’s on the TFL website somewhere.
Knew a while ago though because up until last week one of the team was supporting TfL at their office in Stratford on the four lines modernisation project so heard it first hand.

Going to be interesting to see if this impacts on the funding they give to councils (e.g. LIT). I hope it doesn't.
 
well that’s a better test than the one we are using now which basically is fuck all
We did buy a load around a million I think that weren't accurate enough for NHS but good enough for indicitive purposes word was they were going to be used to gain an anonymous idea of antibody spread in a few areas.
 
The stuff i was reading last night actually classed it as 98%. But the article after, was explaining that in most cases it is accurate. It has been people who have had SARs/Coronavirus that causes the problems.
There is a big difference between 98% specificity and 1 in 500 if you are doing the test on yourself.
If the background numbers of people carrying antibodies are as they said on the news last night 4% and you have a test that is 99.5% specific and you test positive then your chances of being positive are around 90% If it is 98% your chances of being positive fall to around 66%
 
We did buy a load around a million I think that weren't accurate enough for NHS but good enough for indicitive purposes word was they were going to be used to gain an anonymous idea of antibody spread in a few areas.

we need to deploy something . The messaging about the virus has been really harsh in this country

If they want to have people go back to their lives normally they need to start changing the messaging . All the data not just the deaths , how many do they think have had this

we should be seeing discussions of mortality rates based on our data and global data

what percentage have no symptoms , what have mild etc

deaths by age , underlying condition what was that condition

how many people in hospital have recovered from it .

the messaging achieved the result of lockdown now as they ease the lockdown the public need more data not just the daily death data otherwise people will continue to be very anxious as can be seen.

are all the other countries easing lockdown restrictions similarly struggling and as anxious ?
 
Then why doesn't he just say that
No idea! Unlike a politician to fudge round a point hey? Perhaps he thought there would be a sort of backlash ? I don't think they are explaining things very well.

But it's true isn't it. People are closer to and more relaxed with their family than a work colleague or stranger.
 
Let's face it, you'd have to either (a) have had the disease and have recovered, or (b) be absolutely off your trolly to even consider going on the tube right now. It really is a complete no go area as far as anyone with an ounce of sense is concerned.
whilst no scientist in the world will commit to immunity they would be mad even if they have had it,i am proceeding like I have not had it,i am taking no chances
 
well that’s a better test than the one we are using now which basically is fuck all
Isn¨t a bad test worse than no test though? Especially if accuracy, as Cityfan points out, could drop to 60%? Potentially thousands waltzing around thinking they¨ŕe now immune, when they wouldn¨t be.
 
Just got back from a brief trip to the local co-op. It's like people think this is all over. More people in the shop than previous weeks, very little social distancing, kids in the shop as well and people dawdling on the aisle

On a wider topic, why do people where masks in cars and single use gloves for more than one task i.e in the car, getting a trolley then picking up goods etc.?
 
Isn¨t a bad test worse than no test though? Especially if accuracy, as Cityfan points out, could drop to 60%? Potentially thousands waltzing around thinking they¨ŕe now immune, when they wouldn¨t be.

I can see that but wouldn’t you test twice if you had a positive test ?

I don’t know to be honest , we have to deal with what we have until we have something better
 
Just got back from a brief trip to the local co-op. It's like people think this is all over. More people in the shop than previous weeks, very little social distancing, kids in the shop as well and people dawdling on the aisle

On a wider topic, why do people where masks in cars and single use gloves for more than one task i.e in the car, getting a trolley then picking up goods etc.?

why not? As long as you put them on as you leave home and take them off when you get home then it's largely irrelevant.
 
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