Coronavirus: Football Discussion Thread

Boris Becker’s Backhand said:
I never said they didn’t matter so I don’t know why you’re mentioning it.

How can there be evidence for long term lung damage sustained from a disease that has only been recognised for a few months.

The received wisdom is that covid is not dangerous for the vast majority of people under a certain age so we can’t indefinitely suspend everyone’s lives just to benefit the minority.

Deaths from non covid illnesses are 25% higher than is the norm, the suggestion is that the spike is attributable to the reluctance of people to use the health service and the over concentration on covid by the nhs.

You need to look at the bigger picture
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupshift

Groupshift is a phenomenon in which the initial positions of individual members of a group are exaggerated toward a more extreme position. When people are in groups, they make decisions about risk differently from when they are alone. In the group, they are likely to make riskier decisions, as the shared risk makes the individual risk less.......

For example, one study examined what would occur if prejudiced students were asked to discuss racial issues and what would happen if non-prejudiced students discussed the same racial issues. The prejudiced students became more prejudiced whilst the non-prejudiced students became more non-prejudiced. The group discussion tends to exaggerate the initial position of the group. in a cohesive group, when the members' strivings for unanimity override their motivation to realistically appraise alternative courses of action.
 
Does anyone else on here wonder whether we are being subjected to a massive wind up by the FA/PL ? Maybe they've got something on the go about how fucking stupid their proposals can get before clubs & players finally pull the plug on it.
 
Boris Becker’s Backhand said:
You don’t actually know that coming into physical contact with an opposing player in the open air makes it any more likely that you’ll catch the virus than for example if some clown shouts something to a colleague in a supermarket inches from your face. You’re speculating. I refer you back to our disagreements over the Kyle and the hookers situation.

I’m not necessarily arguing for the resumption of the PL anyway, I’m saying that very much sooner rather than later we need to resume a semblance of normal life for the vast majority of people who are very unlikely to become seriously ill as a result of contracting covid in order to protect society from meltdown, a meltdown that will cause far more deaths than covid will.

I’ll take at face value what you say about the effects on lungs of covid but it’s purely anecdotal at this stage, you can’t break it down by age groups or severity of damage or any other useful indicator - I don’t mean that as a criticism, it’s just that compelling statistical evidence is not there yet
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Are players not close enough to swap spit now lol

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-claiming-to-have-virus-spits-on-her-11986808

I would give you links to scientists about lung damage but you wouldn't read it,it would be beyond you as you don't seem to know the basics

I'm out
 
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BillCarlisle Ex-Manchester said:
Does anyone else on here wonder whether we are being subjected to a massive wind up by the FA/PL ? Maybe they've got something on the go about how fucking stupid their proposals can get before clubs & players finally pull the plug on it.
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I said weeks ago the press/media etc are having a competition between themselves as to who can come up with the most silliest restart idea.
 
karen7 said:
Are players not close enough to swap spit now lol

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavi...-claiming-to-have-virus-spits-on-her-11986808

I would give you links to scientists about lung damage but you wouldn't read it,it would be beyond you as you don't seem to know the basics

I'm out
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Read summat a few day ago,said a cough travels up to 6 metres and a sneeze up to 8 metres,particles hang in the air for up to 10 minutes....1 infected player does either,how many would run through it?
 
Boris Becker’s Backhand said:
I never said they didn’t matter so I don’t know why you’re mentioning it.

How can there be evidence for long term lung damage sustained from a disease that has only been recognised for a few months.

The received wisdom is that covid is not dangerous for the vast majority of people under a certain age so we can’t indefinitely suspend everyone’s lives just to benefit the minority.

Deaths from non covid illnesses are 25% higher than is the norm, the suggestion is that the spike is attributable to the reluctance of people to use the health service and the over concentration on covid by the nhs.

You need to look at the bigger picture
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What is this certain age that you speak of. As I understand it this is hitting people over 50 very hard and people who have underlying illnesses of any age esp people with breathing difficulties like my Mum who was killed by this disease in March. So are you suggesting that those under 50 are safe. Well can I tell you that over 50's account for 24.79m people or 37% of the population according to estimates in 2018 that is one large minority.

No one is asking for life to be suspended indefinitely but this virus has to be got under more control than it is at present as indeed the governments own advice is that social distancing measures have to be in place in every workpplace except apparently a football field

Another thing thing a Rail worker has died because she was spat on by a guy who said he had coronavirus. Now when the players are tested they may or may not have the disease the issue is that they no one can guarantee that is still the case when they take to the field and we know how players are spitting machines are they really going to stop or will they carry personal spitoons

The figures suggest that the average number of deaths in the years 2015-2019 up to the the 24th of April was 10,458 this year the number of deaths is 21,197 which a 102% spike in the number of deaths so I suggest you look at the bigger picture
 
SPIDERBOY said:
Read summat a few day ago,said a cough travels up to 6 metres and a sneeze up to 8 metres,particles hang in the air for up to 10 minutes....1 infected player does either,how many would run through it?
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I don't know that,we have all watched football, most of you lads have played it for years,now the lads have to turn their heads away from each other,next it will then having to agree to have their mouths sown up ha
 
chesterguy said:
What is this certain age that you speak of. As I understand it this is hitting people over 50 very hard and people who have underlying illnesses of any age esp people with breathing difficulties like my Mum who was killed by this disease in March. So are you suggesting that those under 50 are safe. Well can I tell you that over 50's account for 24.79m people or 37% of the population according to estimates in 2018 that is one large minority.

No one is asking for life to be suspended indefinitely but this virus has to be got under more control than it is at present as indeed the governments own advice is that social distancing measures have to be in place in every workpplace except apparently a football field

Another thing thing a Rail worker has died because she was spat on by a guy who said he had coronavirus. Now when the players are tested they may or may not have the disease the issue is that they no one can guarantee that is still the case when they take to the field and we know how players are spitting machines are they really going to stop or will they carry personal spitoons

The figures suggest that the average number of deaths in the years 2015-2019 up to the the 24th of April was 10,458 this year the number of deaths is 21,197 which a 102% spike in the number of deaths so I suggest you look at the bigger picture
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So sorry for your loss lovely x
 
Boris Becker’s Backhand said:
I’m playing devil’s advocate, I don’t want it to resume and most importantly I don’t think the players do. But if City were in the scousers’ shoes and we were on the verge of our first title in 30 years then I’d most probably be baying for it to restart
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I'll bite.
I like a devil's advocate :)

"Typical City" ? :D
This post is just for the young'uns to read. The older blokes know all of this already, so it'll just be going over stuff you've already read, in different forms, over the years. Probably :D

Right, so, if we were in the position that Liverpool are in right now, from just a singularly football perspective and forgetting all the depressing stuff for a minute, if we were in Liverpool's position, then it would be the most "typical City" of all "typical City" moments of all time. The King Kong of typical City. Most of us were brought up on this sort of shit, City somehow managing to have things fcuk up around us. When it seemed "as easy as falling to sleep in a ditch when shitfaced" for us to succeed, often with even the smallest of successes, City pulled defeat from the jaws of victory. Pulling defeat from the jaws of victory is in most of us "older" ...(in your eyes, in ours heads we're still 18)(maybe 23 at a push) ...anyway, us older blues have got football disaster in our DNA :) We'd be getting so much shit off our red mates, we'd be gutted, properly gutted, BUT we'd probably be gutted AND we'd be laughing our asses off, TYPICAL FUCKING CITY!

We WERE every other football clubs second favourite team for a reason and it probably wasn't really about the football we played. We always fucked it up; on and off the pitch; often debatably unjustly; always like watching a slo-mo car crash unfold before your eyes, but people liked us because we ended up laughing about it.

"Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee NEVER win at home and we......" :)

NOT lighting candles and getting all fucking needy like that lot. They're like kids who get everything screaming at the word "no". God knows why Maybe it's a religious thing :) who knows? Who cares? I wouldn't change my stance on starting the season again though. It's dangerous. In my opinion. People might die.
Famous people might die. For entertainment.

It's the FIRST wave of a global pandemic that I have just read has lead to the deaths of upwards of 40,000 UK residents. The FIRST person died in the UK near the beginning of MARCH. Three months = 1 football match- ish. We are told that this is the first wave, if this is the case, this looks pretty bad, so we take a breath and think.

The only option is to stop the league until we know enough, and so we must think some more. As an organisation, football must plan for the worse; a long time out; and hope for the best; a return behind closed doors, NEXT season. Probably. Possibly.

Clubs will go to the wall.
ANY club could go to the wall.
WE could go to the wall.

BUT, the league still has got to be stopped. Shirley?
 
Think I’m accurate here but please correct me if not - from June the government will require everyone entering the UK to go into 14 day quarantine. How can European ties involving English clubs possibly be played if all the players and staff have to do this - applies to English clubs returning from away legs and European teams entering the UK to play here ? I think the UEFA position is to wait until the European leagues have decided if they are finishing their season before making a decision if the CL and Europa league are to continue. Surely it’s impossible for both domestic and European competitions to overlap as players who have played in Europe during the week will be in quarantine and not be able to play a PL fixture for two weeks. Even if Europe doesn’t start again until late July/August they will only have a couple of weeks to complete the European season before the start of the new PL season and they still have to fit in the FA cup too.
 
Trojan63 said:
Think I’m accurate here but please correct me if not - from June the government will require everyone entering the UK to go into 14 day quarantine
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I think France and Ireland travellers are excluded. Not sure if this means a German or Belgian can travel to France and thus avoid the UK quarantine period.
 
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