George Floyd murder | Clashes between US police and protestors

[Man_City_Loyal]

You've got a bad case of the old moral equivalence there mate, with a side helping of "What the fuck!"

for not standing with the far left or the far right?

Hmmm ok.

 

[BosnianBlue]

One could question some of Antifa dealings over the time, but I've never seen them standing for bad cause. They always stand up for weak and oppressed.

 

[shevtheblue]

Go read the BBC article regarding the ‘pallets of bricks’ bollocks you’re talking about, all been shown up for the shite it is.

Link? couldn't find it..

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Can’t see any rioters there, and if there were surely they’d have to wait until they were on their property before acting?

if you look at the further responses following this before quoting an old post that be appreciated.

 

[Bigga]

Nuts that this has just popped up on my feed.

Still find myself shaking my head.

Looking back on the excuses as well! Wow...

 

[shevtheblue]

It may be true that the looting and criminality have diluted the message and aims domestically but I don't think that's the case internationally, as attested to by many of the marches going on around the world.

I remember reading Time Magazine (the American version) at the time of the Mark Duggan/looting in 2011. Over here, most people just thought it was about widespread criminality and the underclass of society stealing as much shit as they could but in America (or according to the people interviewed by the magazine), the view seemed to be that the near-entirety of the unrest was to do with Mark Duggan/police brutality.

There is a need for worldwide reform on the matter, but America has a HUGE problem for various reasons. They can't afford for this to be hijacked IMO.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

for not standing with the far left or the far right?

Hmmm ok.

Don’t tell me.

All lives matter.
When is it International Men’s Day?
Why is there no Straight Pride

Etc.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

I've seen nobody remotely looking Antifa subculture looting anything on videos I've seen. It's almost exclusively typical black community low-end criminals

Fair enough if there the only videos you've seen

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Don’t tell me.

All lives matter.
When is it International Men’s Day?
Why is there no Straight Pride

Etc.

Your right All Lives do Matter :)

 

[BosnianBlue]

Fair enough if there the only videos you've seen

I'd like to see those you've seen

 

[inchy14]

Link? couldn't find it..

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52877751

 

[Bigga]

course you wouldn't.

Again, 1 more time for you.

I would not stand with far left or right organisations. They are both as bad as each other.

I will do whats needed to help myself, off my own back and in my legal way.

As you say, you don't know me, so you wouldn't believe me.

That's fine as I know who i am and what I've done before.

I don't need to know you to acknowledge you as a fellow Human Being in distress to help you, if anything came down to violence on your behalf.

I may take my moral compass with me every day, but I'm never lost, fella.

 

[inchy14]

if you look at the further responses following this before quoting an old post that be appreciated.

Fair enough, replied as I read it.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Like it or not, I have to post this. I feel like Tim Black is calling me out and slapping me down.

There are very strong elements of truth in his ire/ fire...

He’s not wrong though.
It’s pretty much what I feel when I see these police departments bending the knee and saying they feel the pain too.

It’s not that I doubt the sincerity of the individuals, but everything is stage managed for television in the US including the CNN coverage, which is better than some I’ve seen, but like all 24 hour news channels they are constantly looking for the next iconic image to fill a few hours repeatedly.

I’m not trying to be wilfully cynical when I ask the question about peaceful demonstrations in America. What’s the point?
The real work in change is done by people on the ground at the coal face.
I’m not against people marching but the real support has to be sustained behind the scenes away from the media photo opportunities.

If white folk care so much, we need to work at local Community level. If police are so concerned they need to initiate community policing. Not be a law enforcement agency. Be a community policing body. Working with not against the community.

There are very genuine emotions being shown and very genuine people too trying to coordinate these marches, but the media channels are full of people grabbing a pious moment also.

If this leads to permanent cooperation across races and cultures at grass roots level, that’s great and would be a start, but once the decisions rise through the various corridors of power, you’re in the system and business takes over. Capitalism won’t allow too much change. Money talks and protects money.

Slavery was abolished a long time ago, but the poor remain the poor and breaking out of that is harder still for certain communities, more than others, because there is very little help offered by a system that wants cheap labour.

I don’t have an answer for our own problems, let alone America’s, but I still think having certain elements of society legally armed to the teeth while the divide between the extremes gets wider and wider, does not auger well, especially with Trump at the helm.

 

[The perfect fumble]

for not standing with the far left or the far right?

Hmmm ok.

Oh dear....

I would not stand with far left or right organisations. They are both as bad as each other.

Is that so.

You're entitled to your opinion, but only informed opinion is worthy of respect.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

I'd like to see those you've seen

What of those dressed like Antifa smashing up and looting?

Look at any type of riot over the last decade that's been posted online and you'll see.

That's including whats going on right now.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

As you say, you don't know me, so you wouldn't believe me.

That's fine as I know who i am and what I've done before.

I don't need to know you to acknowledge you as a fellow Human Being in distress to help you, if anything came down to violence on your behalf.

I may take my moral compass with me every day, but I'm never lost, fella.

And i know who I am, and what i have done before.

So don't preach your moral compass to try and belittle me on a forum.

I've helped out plenty of people in their time of need

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Oh dear....


Is that so.

You're entitled to your opinion, but only informed opinion is worthy of respect.

Your right, I am.

And it is an informed opinion.

Plus i don't need to have a internet strangers respect.

HAHA

 

[shevtheblue]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/52877751

Nice one, had just found it after sending that reply. Obviously a lot of misinformation from both sides. There's another video of an officer putting a stick in someones hand as they are pinned to the floor, so they are able to restrain him, maybe that's also from another time/place. But its undeniable that the police in the majority are trying to protect themselves and their reputation first, they have become bigger than the law themselves and thats similar to what happened with the Unions out there.