Be interesting if the UK gov tells the SNP what they can expect in the event of independence. IE. Their share of national debt aswel as the requirement to have their own currency or adopt the Euro. Wonder if the UK would request a financial contribution from Scotland like the EU have from the UK? Just some musings.Yeah it had some detail but not enough. They will have to do better next time if they want to nail this.
They will have a more receptive population though for sure.
I wouldn’t discount any or all of those challenges!Be interesting if the UK gov tells the SNP what they can expect in the event of independence. IE. Their share of national debt aswel as the requirement to have their own currency or adopt the Euro. Wonder if the UK would request a financial contribution from Scotland like the EU have from the UK? Just some musings.
I just cant see you guys turning down a good thing when you actually realise what you will end up with. Economically as well as politically. A one party state! Just like Russia lol. The result would be very interesting if uk all had a vote! ;-)I wouldn’t discount any or all of those challenges!
There will certainly be a stooshy over national debt.
As the Bank of England was created by a Scotsman, we may claim that as ours (and then rebrand it) ;-).
It will certainly be every bit as complex as Brexit but hopefully not as acrimonious. After all, the English will be glad to see the back of us spongers.
I wouldn’t discount any or all of those challenges!
There will certainly be a stooshy over national debt.
As the Bank of England was created by a Scotsman, we may claim that as ours (and then rebrand it) ;-).
It will certainly be every bit as complex as Brexit but hopefully not as acrimonious. After all, the English will be glad to see the back of us spongers.
Depends what the alternative is though. We will put up with quite a bit to be rid of Johnson and co.I just cant see you guys turning down a good thing when you actually realise what you will end up with. Economically as well as politically. A one party state! Just like Russia lol. The result would be very interesting if uk all had a vote! ;-)
Of course. And we are asset rich.There would have to be discussion over national assets as well as national debt.
Would be th same risk for the UK becoming a one party state, when was the last time there would have been anything but a Tory government without Scottish labour/SNP mps. Actualy more likely than Scotland with the PR lists. The SNP in the 13 years of power have mostly been a minority government relying on other parties for support currently governing with Green MSP support.I just cant see you guys turning down a good thing when you actually realise what you will end up with. Economically as well as politically. A one party state! Just like Russia lol. The result would be very interesting if uk all had a vote! ;-)
Really, is this the oil myth? Or scotch?Of course. And we are asset rich.
Johnson wont be arround for ever. I also have a very dim view of all politicians like most i suspect these days.Depends what the alternative is though. We will put up with quite a bit to be rid of Johnson and co.
Take it they meant as well as a share of any debt, Scotland would be entitled to a share of any UK assets.Really, is this the oil myth? Or scotch?
Johnson wont be arround for ever. I also have a very dim view of all politicians like most i suspect these days.
One good example is that we are European leaders for renewable energy.Really, is this the oil myth? Or scotch?
Johnson wont be arround for ever. I also have a very dim view of all politicians like most i suspect these days.
Not quite leaders but doing very well. Helped by all that rain no doubt. ;-)One good example is that we are European leaders for renewable energy.
Rain, wind and waves. We have it all.Not quite leaaders but doing very well. Helped by all that rain no doubt. ;-)
The one glaring factor to strengthen the case has been the impressive manner of Nichola sturgeon, she has been clear,calm and showed true leadership qualities. Another reason as you mention, is the lack of I say rhetoric, there has been nothing during the crisis and I think people find that reassuring, it shows they can govern.In an attempt to break the rinse repeat selective venting, the virus has certainly changed the dynamic somewhat.
Economically, the position is even weaker than it was before, and society-wise, nothing would typically promote unity more than shared hardship. And resources, which credit to Sunak, at least his early moves, showed a degree of unity not seen in a while.
Yet by all accounts, both official polls and a perceptible mood, the popularity of the SNP continues to increase, going into next year's election.
Post Brexit and GE i though the SNP momentum would somewhat dip, a fair bit.
The constant 'Boris can't say no to us, if we want an indyref' was always going to get too tedious and as unsustainable as the unsustainable position it was challenging, they couldn't really push that all the way to 2021. Particularly as it was apparent there wasnt enough of an appetite, certainly not for a referendum and doubtedly for independence either.
And since the outbreak, i have not heard independence or the referendum mentioned once, in what, four months now? Making a bulk of the already grossly outdated 'one trick wee jimmy' comments here meaningless, for now at least.
So if they aren't banging the 'populist drum' (which ironically is as unpopular and imho damaging as it is supposedly popular), and the economic case is weakening, but their popularity and approval ratings STILL continue to rise, then either they are doing something right, or others are doing something wrong. Or a bit of both.
As much as the virus has (politically only, obviously it is a horrendous time in all other aspects for everyone everyehere) been a weakening hinderance, the SNP have it seems managed to make some positives for themselves out of it. Managing to pause their own supposed raison d'etre, put the good of the country and people first at a time of need, or at least be seen to be doing that, on top of making genuine difficult decisions and managing to continue to do one better than westminster (whether it is clarity, speed of response, addirional support for those feeling they fall through the cracks).
Plus the cummings situation really fucked the Tory party over, particularly up here, currently the SNP's most credible opposition, where despite all their efforts and grounds gained, they ended up being unable to avoid looking hypocritical, dragging them back into the Westminster puppets tag they so desperately tried to shake off.
All that, in the build-up to the election begins to add up, a long long way to go yet, obviously, out of this virus crisis first and foremost.
Completely agree, but when voting on independence it's pointless voting on the current leader or even governing partys performance at any given time on either side of the border because they won't be there in however many years time. Though I guess many people will. What it may do though is swing voters that are undecided and at the moment I would think the mood is leaning towards Sturgeon and maybe by extension independence.The one glaring factor to strengthen the case has been the impressive manner of Nichola sturgeon, she has been clear,calm and showed true leadership qualities. Another reason as you mention, is the lack of I say rhetoric, there has been nothing during the crisis and I think people find that reassuring, it shows they can govern.
The one glaring factor to strengthen the case has been the impressive manner of Nichola sturgeon, she has been clear,calm and showed true leadership qualities. Another reason as you mention, is the lack of I say rhetoric, there has been nothing during the crisis and I think people find that reassuring, it shows they can govern.
Completely agree, but when voting on independence it's pointless voting on the current leader or even governing partys performance at any given time on either side of the border because they won't be there in however many years time. Though I guess many people will. What it may do though is swing voters that are undecided and at the moment I would think the mood is leaning towards Sturgeon and maybe by extension independence.
I should post that gif of an audience applauding but i can't be arsed to find it.Sturgeon is a good leader and this crisis has shown how the continuous campaign to denegrate her is from the same book that did for Corbyn. People are now seeing why she Is FM. She has shown how to lead and by doing so how fucking useless Boris actually is.
She openly accepts mistakes have been made and doesn't try to slime her way out of them. Contrast that with Westminster.
We haven't been talking about Indy because right now we have to battle to save as many of our people as we can. One fight at a time is the Scottish way. I always knew she had the metal, judgement and compassion. The rest of you are starting to see that too, or you are blinded by bias.
If she was an English politician, she would be leading any of the parties and do a better job than any of the cunts in post now.
As Boris shamelessly let's our poorer kids go hungry by taking School meals away, the fucking **** they he is, she won't do that and you should be up in arms he is even trying.
Our kids are all having a hard time, to add to the plight of our poorest, by taking away food is fucking making me sick with rage. I see young Rashfords letter was dealt with typical Tory disdain and they are backtracking. But never forget, even if they buckle, the bastards wanted to starve our poorest children. And if anybody is ok with that, youre a fucking **** too.