Recruitment issues

Read the other day we’ve only signed 1 left back in 9 years and he did his cruciate after 3 weeks

Compare that to the amount of wingers we’ve signed and it’s crazy

Not sure its accurate if you include all the players who have turned out at LB, Delph and Zinch among others have done shifts in title winning teams.

But LB is always difficult. It's the most specialised outfield position. We have been unlucky with Mendy and his injury. Should have got Lucas Digne when he was cheap.
 
Not sure its accurate if you include all the players who have turned out at LB, Delph and Zinch among others have done shifts in title winning teams.

But LB is always difficult. It's the most specialised outfield position. We have been unlucky with Mendy and his injury. Should have got Lucas Digne when he was cheap.

Not sure on that, we obviously have to play a left back.

None of Zinchenko, Delph, Laporte Walker or Cancelo were signed to play there (or have ever played there before?) but all have had to under Pep

Surely that's a sign of bad recruitment in that position?

Seems like we always try and "get away with it"
 
Spot on, you start to wonder how much Pep is having to do with transfers, or if he's getting players he actually wants. Stones, Mendy, Rodri and Mahrez haven't particularly improved since arriving (I'd excuse Cancelo as he's hardly played). It seems to be like Watford, players arrive and the coach is told that's what he's got, get on with it. The incestuous relationship Pep has with the Ferran Soriano and Txiki Begiristain is all nice and cosy but I don't see helping matters with the inadequacy of the squad.

Pep inherited the best players in the squad, Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, Aguero, KDB, Sterling, Yaya. Now this group have started to break up the replacements have been poor/cheaper options and it's not worked. Other than Gundogun I can't remember any reference to us signing a player because that's who Pep wanted. Of course credit has to be given for getting players like Sane, Bernie Silva, Walker and Jesus, but we've had really poor transfer windows for 2 seasons now, maybe more I'd love to know if it was the board saying to Pep we can't replace Kompany, or Pep thinking he could convert Fernandinho into and centre half. The board seem to under instruction to buy average cheaper players.

We should have been buying Sergio's replacement this season, he's in his final year, more injury prone than ever, but I fear we will wait until next summer or even the summer after, and buy average again.
This reminds me of Arsenal under Arsene Wenger.

The spine of that great Arsenal side was created by George Graham, Seaman, Adams, Winterburn etc, Wenger came in and added a bit of footbaling class in Bergkamp , Henry etc. The results were a great side, but as soon as the spine of the team aged, Wenger never replaced them and arsenal faded away, along with Wenger.

Pep took the spine of Mancini's side and added quality and built a great team but now that spine has gone or is going and sadly we look and Pep looks like Wenger.
 
Not sure on that, we obviously have to play a left back.

None of Zinchenko, Delph, Laporte Walker or Cancelo were signed to play there (or have ever played there before?) but all have had to under Pep

Surely that's a sign of bad recruitment in that position?

Seems like we always try and "get away with it"

We should have gone for 1 more over the years. I mentioned Digne back in 2016...

I would have thought we would be linked to Lucas Digne. He's a decent young left back and was on loan from PSG to Roma last year. Roma and PSG have not yet agreed terms to make it permanent so he is as available as it gets.
 
And the RB's we sign, Walker has proved his worth, but Danilo and Cancelo crazy, lazy poor buys.
When he played Danilo looked good to me. Not sure if he didn't settle but I was suprised when we let him go and splurged a load on Cancelo who still doesn't feel like his City career has started yet.
 
When he played Danilo looked good to me. Not sure if he didn't settle but I was suprised when we let him go and splurged a load on Cancelo who still doesn't feel like his City career has started yet.
To be fair he wanted out, but considering his contract/fee he was nothing special.
 
Not sure on that, we obviously have to play a left back.

None of Zinchenko, Delph, Laporte Walker or Cancelo were signed to play there (or have ever played there before?) but all have had to under Pep

Surely that's a sign of bad recruitment in that position?

Seems like we always try and "get away with it"

Out of that lot its crazy to think that the last half decent left back was Fabian Delph. We were spoilt with Kolarov and Clichy looking back ffs!!!

I think Cancelo can do a decent job there but decent isnt enough if we want to stay challenging for titles.
 
The 198 points years boasted a squad that included Kompany, Sane, David Silva, Otamendi, Mangala, Danilo, Delph and a peak Fernandinho. Since then we've only signed Ake, Cancelo, Rodri and Torres. And brought through Foden and Garcia.

Compared to the 198 squad we started last night without Aguero, Jesus, Sane, Silva, Silva, Gundogan, Kompany, Laporte, Stones, Otamendi, Mangala, Zinchenko, Danilo, Delph. Thats a major dip in quality, transition years?

I ignored keepers as the maine man is still there.
 
The 198 points years boasted a squad that included Kompany, Sane, David Silva, Otamendi, Mangala, Danilo, Delph and a peak Fernandinho. Since then we've only signed Ake, Cancelo, Rodri and Torres. And brought through Foden and Garcia.

Compared to the 198 squad we started last night without Aguero, Jesus, Sane, Silva, Silva, Gundogan, Kompany, Laporte, Stones, Otamendi, Mangala, Zinchenko, Danilo, Delph. Thats a major dip in quality, transition years?

I ignored keepers as the maine man is still there.
Those missing player in your second paragraph sums up our current predicament superbly.
 
Anyone else feel like our recruitment strategy is starting to hold us back?

We’re now losing players like Silva and Kompany, while the likes of Fernandinho and Aguero aren’t getting any younger. The thing is, the players we’re bringing in aren’t at the same level and often it feels like a case of ‘we don’t really know how they’ll turn out, but let’s hope they’re good’. Players like Aguero, Silva and Yaya were top class when we bought them and even Kompany was really highly regarded but held back due to his injury record.

Buying proven big players often DOES work. I’d argue our two biggest names purchased since Garry Cook left were De Bruyne and Sterling but based on the last few years you just know that Aguero’s successor is going to be some mid-range player who ends up struggling to get 15 goals a season.

This will upset some but we SHOULD be in for players like Sancho. His record at Dortmund is phenomenal. I don’t care about the past - let bygones be bygones. He’ll be a star in the top flight for the next 10 years when he comes back.

Don’t get me wrong I do think there are good deals to be had with lesser known talent, I just think you need a strong core of top class players and then you build around them.
Our obsession with not paying more than €65m for a player is starting to tell.

It's a PR decision, not a footballing one. We want to be seen to not be in the top 10 biggest transfers. A responsibly run club.

But what we end up doing, is spending €200m every season on 4 or 5 average players who don't improve us. We still spend more than anyone else, but don't improve.

Cancelo, Rodri, Mahrez, Torres, Ake, Dias. €260m all in. They're all worse than the players they're meant to be replacing.

Yaya, Silva, Kompany, Sané, and soon Aguero and Fernandinho. All gone.

And look at the state of what's replacing them.

For me, we should be buying one or two world class players a year, instead of 4 or 5 average.

It would cost the same money, we'd have better players, and more opportunities for youth players to come through instead of having their progress blocked by average dross.
 
How many great buys have we made in the last 3 years. Laporte...
Yet look at mistakes he’s made in the biggest of games... Spurs at home CL he was involved (negatively) in all 3 Spurs goals; Lyon CL the other month, made two mistakes in the same move that lead to a winning goal.
 
Next summer will be expensive and difficult as we’ll be replacing Aguero and Fernandinho while facing competition from a number of clubs, like Real, who haven’t spent this summer.

This summer has been a little disappointing in that we had a relatively poor season, based on previous standards, and haven’t really addressed the shortcomings in the squad. We all hope that Pep can address the issues that were apparent in the games that mattered last season.

Hopefully Dias becomes the partner Laporte needs. Hopefully we get a new left back and if not hopefully one of Cancelo, Ake, Mendy & Zinchenko is a left back capable of playing at the top level. Hopefully between Rodri, Fernandinho, Gundogan and maybe Bernardo we have enough in the middle of the park and we can fix the holes that have been apparent in matches like Arsenal, Lyon & Leicester.

Hopefully Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Torres and Foden share the creative burden with KDB. Hopefully our 2 strikers stay fit for enough of the season.

As far as I can make out we seem to be crossing our fingers and hoping that everything works out this season. We seem to be a less energetic, less creative and slower side than at our peak 2017-19. All we can do is hope things work out.
 
Next summer will be expensive and difficult as we’ll be replacing Aguero and Fernandinho while facing competition from a number of clubs, like Real, who haven’t spent this summer.

This summer has been a little disappointing in that we had a relatively poor season, based on previous standards, and haven’t really addressed the shortcomings in the squad. We all hope that Pep can address the issues that were apparent in the games that mattered last season.

Hopefully Dias becomes the partner Laporte needs. Hopefully we get a new left back and if not hopefully one of Cancelo, Ake, Mendy & Zinchenko is a left back capable of playing at the top level. Hopefully between Rodri, Fernandinho, Gundogan and maybe Bernardo we have enough in the middle of the park and we can fix the holes that have been apparent in matches like Arsenal, Lyon & Leicester.

Hopefully Sterling, Mahrez, Bernardo, Torres and Foden share the creative burden with KDB. Hopefully our 2 strikers stay fit for enough of the season.

As far as I can make out we seem to be crossing our fingers and hoping that everything works out this season. We seem to be a less energetic, less creative and slower side than at our peak 2017-19. All we can do is hope things work out.
This is the worst midfield we’ve had since Sven’s team or maybe early Hughes’ teams but even he had Kompany playing well in midfield and then had Barry and de Jong. They’d all walk into our midfield now.

Yaya, Milner, DSilva, Fernandinho and de Bruyne followed.

There have been a few fairly average ones like García but he still had a good season when we won the league in 2013-14 and was playing with truly world class midfielders around him.

Our midfield improves infinitely when Bernardo plays there but Pep barely ever plays him there so it’s a stretch to say he’s a midfielder for us.

You win and lose games and titles in midfield. They either have to be the best midfield in terms of quality in the league or the hardest working with lots of pace. If you can get a midfield that’s top quality and the hardest working/lots of pace you’re likely to win the league. Ours is neither the best in quality or the hardest working nor does it have any pace.
 
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We have been more miss than hit in terms of our main targets the last few years, luckily they have pretty much all gone on to seem like we dodged the bullet with them, but at the end of the day that's as worrying as having succeeded in signing them!
Indeed. From Fred to Jorginho to Maguire and a fair few others... what sort of team would Txiki have built if these players had come?

We don’t half go after some very very odd signings that don’t seem to fit our style of play.

Rodri is one, never a Pep player in a million years... This Dias is another, slower than a sloth, in a high line defence?

What’s going on?
 
Excellent to good signings: Kevin, Sterling, Jesus (at 28m he was a coup), Sane, Laporte, Bernardo, Ederson, Zinchenko (utterly cheap and did a relatively good job when used), Walker, Gundogan (relatively cheap and played a role for the consecutive titles and cups).

I think Rodri and Torres will come good. It's too early to judge them. I think Rodri will turn out to be a very good siging.

Mahrez wasn't bad and helped for the domestic treble.

Cancelo - the jury is still out, premature to judge him as unsuccessful.

Stones helped us win all those trophies. He was regarded as a good signing before his troubles last season and was generally liked.

Otamendi - not bad, played a huge role for the Centurions and helped us win the treble.

Bad signings since 2017: Mendy, and unpredicatble injuries played a big role for it.

Currently we have a highly talented squad that needs several additions to compete for the biggest trophies, with or without Pep.

Players to be replaced in the next 1-2 years: Fernandinho, Aguero, Gundogan, Mendy, Zinchenko, Stones.

It can be done over 3-4 transfer windows and we will have the most talented squad in the world. Liverpool are peaking and in 1-2 years the big stars will be on the wrong side of 30. They will have a huge rebuilding task on their hands.

In short, recruitment was generally good. It's not possible to replace Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva and Aguero immediately. They are among the best PL players in history for a reason. It's not possible to win titles and break records every season, unless you are Juventus in Italy or Bayern in Germany.
 
My point was that Bernardo has put in the work before and will do again, poor season or not. If you’re happy with Mahrez’s workrate and all-round contribution then that’s fine. I am not.

Yet we are told that Pep was picking Mahrez over Sane for his work rate and press I do not consider Mahrez to be lazy not the hardest worker but not lazy What more could he do ?
 

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