Keir Starmer

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
All depends on the Murdoch press. At present they are on his side, but if they decide to the drip feed of constant bollocks will no doubt persuade the electorate he was Warboys and Saviles best mate just like they made Corbyn into a cross between Gerry Adams and Joseph Mengele.
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The press don't have the monopoly they used to have on deciding what gets out there Social media forces their hand.
 
joe123 said:
Would've been a hell of a risk to go against every remain voting Labour supporter. Might have retained the red wall, but could've been wiped out in certain metropolitan areas, and I'm not sure they could've out-Brexited the tories.
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Not sure it would have been that case, I voted remain and was happy if the manifesto had commited to brexit under labour party terms.

Leave won the referendum and I think more people accepted the result amongst remain voters than is made out, especially if a choice to labour remainers was brexit with labour or a tory win.

As the GE shown sititng in the fence and some labour MPs including starmer pushing that in cabinet was part of the abject faliure in December, corbyns popularity being another.
 
urban genie said:
Although I agree with the sentiment about starmers lack of opposition while he sits on the fence, both the original tweeter and williamson are both a pair of clowns and detrimental to any message the left wing partof lablour want to send..
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Yeah - Chris Williamson opinion = huge pinch of salt
 
I agree that Starmer is a red Tory but he destroys Johnson at every PMQs. Johnson only plays to his bully boy backbenchers. But most are not there so he is fucked. Starmer is a neo liberal but the lesser of two evils.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
load of crap. So frustrating to see Labour have finally got someone who can win an election but the usual labour mob will attack him - it’s like they want to stay in opposition forever- far easier to moan and shout from the sidelines I guess.
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Isn't that what Boris said?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
load of crap. So frustrating to see Labour have finally got someone who can win an election but the usual labour mob will attack him - it’s like they want to stay in opposition forever- far easier to moan and shout from the sidelines I guess.
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I think for some it is what is the poi t of getting in if you are just a watered down version of what we have.

And that is a sad indictment of our society that being bland and unimaginative or being a bluffing, self centered twat full of shit is where we are at
 
Rascal said:
I am not ultra left wing though, I am a Socialist who is being pushed towards the ultra left wing because I have nowhere else to go. Yes I do think Marx, Lenin and Trotsky made some valid points, yes I can be fairly authoritarian and yes I do think Marxism has lots of brilliant analysis, but I am closer to Benn and Foot than I am to the Labour party of Starmer. The party is moving away from me, I am not moving away from the party.
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You know from our exchanges that I respect your attitudes and consistency of view

That said - and whilst I can agree your comments on Starmer - from your POV, I think that he has made a clear decision of how to play the next 4 years and believe that it is a winning strategy (which does not mean that I am a big fan).

I would expect that his priorities are all about appealing to the majority of the electorate and that his thinking is along the lines of:

1. It is in 2023 that he needs to start to get on the front foot and setting out his manifesto. There is no point getting distracted by a lot of in-fighting and anyway if he leaves it until 2023 then he can be attuned to the mood of the electorate and pitch accordingly

2. He needs to manage the LP so that Corbyn becomes a distant memory in the minds of the electorate - he should avoid all risk of public in-fighting that will be obvious to the public

3. He needs the time to remove from positions of influence all those that would be of a mind to challenge his left of centre manifesto - get rid and replace them with 'loyal' people

4. He recognises that it is a 2 party system and he largely does not have to worry about losing the votes of those of a 'harder- left' mindset than the majority of the electorate - like your good self. This is because while you/they might be furious that he has 'done a Blair' - when push comes to shove they will vote against the Tories and therefore the vast majority will swallow and vote Labour

5. With all the prevailing conditions of Covid and Brexit - he is best letting Johnson both a) take the fall for all the pain that will be felt in the coming years and b) let the public see what a buffoon he is and they will be desperate to replace him

etc. etc.

Frustrating for you and others I know - but I think that he could attract back many (what I call) traditional Labour voters - there are quite a few on here that would switch back and he could win a stonking majority
 
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Rascal said:
They have every right, the Labour party was born out of the Trade Union movement and the Trade Unions have funded the party since its inception. They are all elected officials representing their members and are affiliates of the party.

If McClusky had been listened too and Labour had backed Brexit rather than being sat on the fence through Starmer's ridiculous posturing to the FBFE crowd Labour would have been in power and the country wouldn't have suffered the indignities of this pathetic Johnson government.
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Whilst I fully agree with your 2nd point - and Starmer does worry me in the sense that - keeping your powder dry is all well and good - but you cannot forever sit on the fence......

Re your 1st point, I think doing a Tolmie is in order

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He is a perfect example of the lack of talent, lack of leadership, lack of any real substance that is rife in Parliament and our domestic politics.

Where the fuck is Guy Fawkes when you really need him?
 
blueinsa said:
He is a perfect example of the lack of talent, lack of leadership, lack of any real substance that is rife in Parliament and our domestic politics.

Where the fuck is Guy Fawkes when you really need him?
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‘ Lack of talent’ - his a former barrister, has served as a legal officer and has worked on human rights issues for a lot of his life.

comes across clever and articulate.

who exactly would fit the bill as a opposition leader that you wouldn’t thrown those cliches at ?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
‘ Lack of talent’ - his a former barrister, has served as a legal officer and has worked on human rights issues for a lot of his life.

comes across clever and articulate.

who exactly would fit the bill as a opposition leader that you wouldn’t thrown those cliches at ?
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That is the problem at the moment English politics is void of leaders.
 
ganganvince said:
That is the problem at the moment English politics is void of leaders.
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the problem is whoever is a leader no matter how good or bad they are, you will have half of people jumping on social media/forums saying the usual cliches ‘lack of talent’ ‘lack of substance’ ‘lack of leadership’

similar to a England manager. No chance winning over all the fans.
 
ganganvince said:
The press don't have the monopoly they used to have on deciding what gets out there Social media forces their hand.
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The people who think the press have a big say in the direction of a country are only the people who actually read them.

Like the soaps a while back you could talk about dirty den and you would have an audience. Nowadays most don't even know whose in the programme.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
‘ Lack of talent’ - his a former barrister, has served as a legal officer and has worked on human rights issues for a lot of his life.

comes across clever and articulate.

who exactly would fit the bill as a opposition leader that you wouldn’t thrown those cliches at ?
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He’s a Farage man.
 
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